Seattle Cop Killer Hailed as Muslim Hero

[Don]

Black Muslim group, Seattle Black Foot Soldiers proclaimed Maruice Clemmons, killer of four white police officers, a hero.


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/12/cop_killer_hailed_as_muslim_ma.html

Same thing happened earlier this year. Lovelle Mixon killed four Oakland police officers and was proclaimed a hero by community organizers, 500 of whom attended Mixon's memorial service to pay their respects.


O’Reilley says don’t get excited. These bad apples don’t represent the black community and he's right. We should judge a community by its best and brightest and most successful....as follows:


• Rev. Jesse Jackson (Community organizer who organized rally to spare life of convicted multiple murderer and armed robber, Tookie Williams);

• Rev. Al Shaprton (Community Organizer who orchestrated the Tawana Brawley hoax, and organized protest against attempted murder convictions of six (!) black football players in Jena, Ark. who were savagely kicking a lone white student whom they had stalked, attacked and rendered unconscious with the first shower of blows);

• Barak Obama (Community organizer recently elected by white voters to the presidency of the US who said white police officers acted “stupidly” in questioning a black citizen after responding to a late night burglary call by a neighbor);

• Michelle Robinson Obama (Affirmative action graduate of Princeton and Harvard Law , wife of community organizer Barak Obama, who said she was never proud of America until Barak was nominated and that America is a “mean country.”)

• Rev. Jeremiah Wright (Famous African American minister to Barak and Michelle Obama, lives in $10 million dollar mansion, drives a Bently automobile, said “God Damn America” and more recently that America is "the home of greed and the land of the slave.")

Please, let’s not judge an entire “community” by a few bad apples like these two cop killers Maruice Clemmons and Lovelle Mixon. They are not representative. Let's keep a proper perspective here and judge the community by its best, brightest and most successful members, as identified above.

[REWHBLCAIN]

Some stories and facts I have collected about Muslim terrorists

http://www.fightpc.net/showthread.php?t=20055

[Jeanfromfillmore]

What I would like to see is more Black and Hispanics condemn the actions of those who are trying to destroy and damage this country. That is what I see as the biggest problem. When you hear "They are not representative of the Black or Hispanic community" you have to ask why then don't Blacks and Hispanics in huge numbers come out and march against these people. The answer is because they either agree with them, or they don't care, or they're cowards. Being a victim is so much easier than taking a stand.

[Cruisingfool]

This is the muslims unleashed, wait until Americans are unleashed...

[Don]

What I would like to see is more Black and Hispanics condemn the actions of those who are trying to destroy and damage this country. That is what I see as the biggest problem. When you hear "They are not representative of the Black or Hispanic community" you have to ask why then don't Blacks and Hispanics in huge numbers come out and march against these people. The answer is because they either agree with them, or they don't care, or they're cowards. Being a victim is so much easier than taking a stand.

They don't oppose it because they support it. Rev. Jesse Jackson once said:

"Hey Hey.

Ho Ho.

Western Civ has got to go."

It's going.

[Kathy63]

What I would like to see is more Black and Hispanics condemn the actions of those who are trying to destroy and damage this country. That is what I see as the biggest problem. When you hear "They are not representative of the Black or Hispanic community" you have to ask why then don't Blacks and Hispanics in huge numbers come out and march against these people. The answer is because they either agree with them, or they don't care, or they're cowards. Being a victim is so much easier than taking a stand.

Black and hispanics who say that these individuals aren't representative of their communities have the same credibility as Tiger Woods saying "Honest, I am not cheating on you" to his wife.

IF these criminals are not representative of them personally, they are at best, the very best being disingenuous.

[LAPhil]

Black and hispanics who say that these individuals aren't representative of their communities have the same credibility as Tiger Woods saying "Honest, I am not cheating on you" to his wife.

IF these criminals are not representative of them personally, they are at best, the very best being disingenuous.
Kathy, you can't mean that. Are you saying most blacks and Hispanics are basically criminals?

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Kathy, you can't mean that. Are you saying most blacks and Hispanics are basically criminals?Phil, I don't think she was implying that. I believe what she's saying is that they're not being honest with themselves or the community. Similar to what Bill Cosby said, that Blacks must first examine what their community is condoning by using the victim mentality. You can not fix something unless you admit that it needs repair. This is true of each of us and society. If we do not recognize or acknowledge our faults, we make no attempt to improve what we souldn't be doing.

[LAPhil]

Phil, I don't think she was implying that. I believe what she's saying is that they're not being honest with themselves or the community. Similar to what Bill Cosby said, that Blacks must first examine what their community is condoning by using the victim mentality. You can not fix something unless you admit that it needs repair. This is true of each of us and society. If we do not recognize or acknowledge our faults, we make no attempt to improve what we souldn't be doing.
OK, but I think there may be more to this. I'll wait for Kathy's answer.

[Twoller]

Phil, I don't think she was implying that. I believe what she's saying is that they're not being honest with themselves or the community. Similar to what Bill Cosby said, that Blacks must first examine what their community is condoning by using the victim mentality. You can not fix something unless you admit that it needs repair. This is true of each of us and society. If we do not recognize or acknowledge our faults, we make no attempt to improve what we souldn't be doing.

I think there is a problem with lumping blacks and hispanics together as a social issue. The problems that African Americans have to deal with have absolutely nothing to do with the complaints made by hispanics. The "hispanics" have nothing to complain about, really. The African Americans, the real African Americans, not African immigrants, have had a lot to overcome and still suffer the reverberations of their ordeal as slaves.

It's true there are a lot of rotten leaders claiming to represent the African American community, but leadership there is tough to find.

But I have to admit, time is running out on African Americans, their communites are becoming increasing blurred and diffused.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

I think there is a problem with lumping blacks and hispanics together as a social issue. The problems that African Americans have to deal with have absolutely nothing to do with the complaints made by hispanics. The "hispanics" have nothing to complain about, really. The African Americans, the real African Americans, not African immigrants, have had a lot to overcome and still suffer the reverberations of their ordeal as slaves.

It's true there are a lot of rotten leaders claiming to represent the African American community, but leadership there is tough to find.

But I have to admit, time is running out on African Americans, their communites are becoming increasing blurred and diffused.Well I would agree with you that much of what the Blacks are experiencing is quite different from someone who just crawled across our border. But some things are a problem that society as a whole has created. I say this because of three generations of welfare recipients and the damage to so many as a result. It has created a feeling of entitlement, lack of responsibility and a continued underclass which has now become an acceptable lifestyle and enabler for illegals. The Blacks and Hispanic are two different demographics, but they do share some common problems, along with other ethnics to a lesser degree.

[Twoller]

Well I would agree with you that much of what the Blacks are experiencing is quite different from someone who just crawled across our border. But some things are a problem that society as a whole has created. I say this because of three generations of welfare recipients and the damage to so many as a result. It has created a feeling of entitlement, lack of responsibility and a continued underclass which has now become an acceptable lifestyle and enabler for illegals. The Blacks and Hispanic are two different demographics, but they do share some common problems, along with other ethnics to a lesser degree.

But the reality is that not all hispanics in the US got here by crawling accross the border. And what got hispanics classed as an underclass was the misplaced designation of hispanics as a racial classification. Hispanics no more deserve a racial distinction in the US than the Italians or the Scandinavians. Notice that middle easterners are not considered a race legalistically in this country. And I would say that African Americans have some rights to claim some entitlements. But nobody else, at least nobody else distinguished as a race and certainly not African immigrants or black immigrants from outside the US or any of their descendents.

[LAPhil]

But the reality is that not all hispanics in the US got here by crawling accross the border. And what got hispanics classed as an underclass was the misplaced designation of hispanics as a racial classification. Hispanics no more deserve a racial distinction in the US than the Italians or the Scandinavians. Notice that middle easterners are not considered a race legalistically in this country. And I would say that African Americans have some rights to claim some entitlements. But nobody else, at least nobody else distinguished as a race and certainly not African immigrants or black immigrants from outside the US or any of their descendents.
Twoller, we're pretty much in agreement again. I'm just not sure about the entitlements you think "African Americans' are entitled to. I think the whole Affirmative Action thing has outlived its original purpose, and even though the playing field may not yet be level, many of those who claim they're entitled to things for that reason will never be willing to acknowlege that the playing field is level when that comes about. At some point every traditionally disadvantaged minority group has to accept that life isn't completely fair and play the cards they're dealt. I know that's easy for me to say as a white male, but other minorities have achived great success by keeping a positive attitude and realized their full potential through hard work and a refusal to accept a victim status.

[Kathy63]

Kathy, you can't mean that. Are you saying most blacks and Hispanics are basically criminals?

No. What I'm saying is that if these criminals are NOT representative of their communities, they better start DOING something about it. Like identifying those among them who are and dealing with it. Since there is this HUGE silence, except when it comes to excuse making and reason finding, this kind of behavior has found acceptance in these communities on some level.

Certainly it has not escaped you that this cop killer is being hailed as a hero. Why is that? Because to them he is a hero. IF there are some among them that think he is not a hero, where are they?

[LAPhil]

No. What I'm saying is that if these criminals are NOT representative of their communities, they better start DOING something about it. Like identifying those among them who are and dealing with it. Since there is this HUGE silence, except when it comes to excuse making and reason finding, this kind of behavior has found acceptance in these communities on some level.

Certainly it has not escaped you that this cop killer is being hailed as a hero. Why is that? Because to them he is a hero. IF there are some among them that think he is not a hero, where are they?
I don't think it's incumbent upon members of a minority group to seek out and identify others in that group who are continually breaking the law. That would be like racially profiling themselves. Should white people identify criminals in their communities and make a point of telling other ethnic and racial groups that "We're not like them!" Minorities are no more responsible for criminals who share their ethnic or racial identity than anyone else.

[Rim05]

Minorities are no more responsible for criminals who share their ethnic or racial identity than anyone else.


Phil, I will give you a 100% Plus on that statement. Don't you know all the KKK and Skinhead types would be over joyed to see strife among the Blacks in their community? In 2009 this kind of stuff should be dead.

[Kathy63]

I don't think it's incumbent upon members of a minority group to seek out and identify others in that group who are continually breaking the law. That would be like racially profiling themselves. Should white people identify criminals in their communities and make a point of telling other ethnic and racial groups that "We're not like them!" Minorities are no more responsible for criminals who share their ethnic or racial identity than anyone else.

Examine your statement a bit.

When was the last time you saw a group of white folk come out in support of the KKK or skinheads like you see minority communities come out in support of the WORST criminals among them?

Minorities aren't responsible for criminals who share their ethnic or racial identity but they are ABSOLUTELY responsible for their OWN behavior in supporting these criminals.

Why did the Christian/Newsom killers get such support? Why did the black community in Long Beach threaten the city until the gang that beat up those white girls was released? Why did Tookie Williams get a televised state funeral?

Can you see whites supporting Timothy McVeigh? Ted Bundy? Any criminal based on skin color alone????

No. Because that would make us sympathetic to the worst among us. By legitimizing and accepting such behavior we'd be no better than them.

You can count on the fingers of one had the black leaders who speak up. And you can count them ALL slapped down again by their own people.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Examine your statement a bit.

When was the last time you saw a group of white folk come out in support of the KKK or skinheads like you see minority communities come out in support of the WORST criminals among them?

Minorities aren't responsible for criminals who share their ethnic or racial identity but they are ABSOLUTELY responsible for their OWN behavior in supporting these criminals.

Why did the Christian/Newsom killers get such support? Why did the black community in Long Beach threaten the city until the gang that beat up those white girls was released? Why did Tookie Williams get a televised state funeral?

Can you see whites supporting Timothy McVeigh? Ted Bundy? Any criminal based on skin color alone????

No. Because that would make us sympathetic to the worst among us. By legitimizing and accepting such behavior we'd be no better than them.

You can count on the fingers of one had the black leaders who speak up. And you can count them ALL slapped down again by their own people.

Kathy you make a very good point. As I wrote before, you can not change bad behavior until you recognize it and be honest about it.

[LAPhil]

Examine your statement a bit.

When was the last time you saw a group of white folk come out in support of the KKK or skinheads like you see minority communities come out in support of the WORST criminals among them?

Minorities aren't responsible for criminals who share their ethnic or racial identity but they are ABSOLUTELY responsible for their OWN behavior in supporting these criminals.

Why did the Christian/Newsom killers get such support? Why did the black community in Long Beach threaten the city until the gang that beat up those white girls was released? Why did Tookie Williams get a televised state funeral?

Can you see whites supporting Timothy McVeigh? Ted Bundy? Any criminal based on skin color alone????

No. Because that would make us sympathetic to the worst among us. By legitimizing and accepting such behavior we'd be no better than them.

You can count on the fingers of one had the black leaders who speak up. And you can count them ALL slapped down again by their own people.
Kathy:
I'll concede the part of your point about how minorities who do not commit criminal behavior but support others who do simply because they belong to that minority are partially responsible for the crime in their communities. However, you also need to consider the fact that there are many blacks and Hispanics who do not condone the behavior under any circumstances. I don't think they need the additional burden of rooting out crime in their own communities, which is the job of law enforcement, when they are already being stereotyped as being prone to crime. It doesn't seem fair to further penalize the honest, law-abiding citizens in the minority communities just because there also happen to be a lot of bad apples in the group.

[Kathy63]

Then it is incumbent upon those who object to speak up. Otherwise they run the risk of joining the mythical moderate muslims. At least muslim organizations give some lip service to condemning their errant brothers (I doubt they mean it).

Unfortunately, to very many blacks, the ones who speak up are treated worst of all. Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, Walter Williams, Bill Cosby, fine vocal men (although Cosby is quite a racist himself) that certainly are not treated well in their own communities.

[LAPhil]

Then it is incumbent upon those who object to speak up. Otherwise they run the risk of joining the mythical moderate muslims. At least muslim organizations give some lip service to condemning their errant brothers (I doubt they mean it).

Unfortunately, to very many blacks, the ones who speak up are treated worst of all. Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, Walter Williams, Bill Cosby, fine vocal men (although Cosby is quite a racist himself) that certainly are not treated well in their own communities.
I still have to disagree with you there. I think it's incumbent upon other people not to assume that a few bad apples necessarily spoil the whole bunch. Should the Jewish people in this country speak up about the fact that they're not all like Bernie Madoff? After all, he perpetutes the stereotype of the conniving, money-grubbing Jew, right? Even if there were a thousand Bernie Madoffs out there, it still wouldn't be correct to assume that Jews can't be trusted as a rule.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Should we watch out for the crimes of others and report them? I thought that was what many neighborhoods did with Neighborhood Watch programs. It seems a rather simple example, but the concept it the same. You see crime, you report it. How many Neighborhood Watch programs are there in crime ridden neighborhoods? Not many.

[LAPhil]

Should we watch out for the crimes of others and report them? I thought that was what many neighborhoods did with Neighborhood Watch programs. It seems a rather simple example, but the concept it the same. You see crime, you report it. How many Neighborhood Watch programs are there in crime ridden neighborhoods? Not many.
It's hard to have neighborhood watch programs in crime-ridden neighborhoods because in many cases the people don't want to become targets for the local gang. They know if you snitch it could mean your life. Neighborhood watch programs aren't looked upon too fondly by the gang bangers, and you can't really blame the good people for being afraid to stand up to them. The only way out for most of them is to find a better neighborhood.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

It's hard to have neighborhood watch programs in crime-ridden neighborhoods because in many cases the people don't want to become targets for the local gang. They know if you snitch it could mean your life. Neighborhood watch programs aren't looked upon too fondly by the gang bangers, and you can't really blame the good people for being afraid to stand up to them. The only way out for most of them is to find a better neighborhood.That may be true in some cases, but in many the gang bangers and drug dealers are the brother who's sleeping on the couch, or the sister who lives in the next house. They don't turn in their own. They create those neighborhoods then complain if there's a drug sweep complaining of racial profiling. I have very little sympathy for them.

[Don]

Should we watch out for the crimes of others and report them? I thought that was what many neighborhoods did with Neighborhood Watch programs. It seems a rather simple example, but the concept it the same. You see crime, you report it. How many Neighborhood Watch programs are there in crime ridden neighborhoods? Not many.


There used to be a tee-shirt with a picture of a gallows. The caption said: "This neighborhood does more than watch!"

[LAPhil]

That may be true in some cases, but in many the gang bangers and drug dealers are the brother who's sleeping on the couch, or the sister who lives in the next house. They don't turn in their own. They create those neighborhoods then complain if there's a drug sweep complaining of racial profiling. I have very little sympathy for them.
I don't agree with you. I think most people everywhere are basically law abiding and just do what they have to do to survive. That may mean not turning in your neighbor even when you know he's a criminal, but most people in crime-ridden neighborhoods are not criminals themselves. I should know, having lived in a really bad one for 19 years myself.

[Kathy63]

I don't agree with you. I think most people everywhere are basically law abiding and just do what they have to do to survive. That may mean not turning in your neighbor even when you know he's a criminal, but most people in crime-ridden neighborhoods aer not criminals themselves. I should know, having lived in a really bad one for 19 years myself.

Not turning in your criminal neighbor is a far cry from supporting that criminal when he is caught.

We are not talking about silence, we are talking about the numbers of people who take an active part in support for those who are criminals. We are talking about marches, vigils, interviews, cards, letters and active support, not keeping one's mouth shut in fear of retaliation.