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REWHBLCAIN
12-01-2009, 11:44 AM
Some toy drives check immigration status
By Jeannie Kever
The Houston Chronicle, November 30, 2009
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/6746254.html

They don't claim to know who's been naughty or nice, but some Houston charities are asking whether children are in the country legally before giving them toys.

In a year when more families than ever have asked for help, several programs providing Christmas gifts for needy children require at least one member of the household to be a U.S. citizen. Others ask for proof of income or rely on churches and schools to suggest recipients.

The Salvation Army and a charity affiliated with the Houston Fire Department are among those that consider immigration status, asking for birth certificates or Social Security cards for the children.

The point isn't to punish the children but to ensure that their parents are either citizens, legal immigrants or working to become legal residents, said Lorugene Young, whose Outreach Program Inc. is one of three groups that distribute toys collected by firefighters.

'It's not our desire to turn anyone down,' she said. 'Those kids are not responsible if they are here illegally. It is the parents' responsibility.'

The idea of a charity turning away children because of decisions made by their parents unsettled some immigration activists.

'It is very disturbing to think a holiday like Christmas would be tainted with things like this,' said Cesar Espinoza, executive director of America for All, a Houston-based advocacy group. 'Usually, people target the adults because the adults made the decision to migrate, where the children are just brought through no fault of their own.'

Other groups don't require specific documentation, relying instead on outside groups to recommend families.

'When you distribute toys to 10,000 to 12,000 kids, it's impossible to background (check) every child,' said Fred Joe Pyland, a Houston police officer who oversees the Blue Santa program. Blue Santa doesn't consider immigration status but collects names from police officers, schools and churches.

Those who do check immigration status or other qualifications say they are trying to ensure they make the best decisions about whom to help.

'We want to be good stewards, so the people that are donating to us trust we're going to do the right thing,' said Sonya Scott, manager of care ministries at West Houston Assistance Ministries. The group does not check immigration but requires identification, including birth certificates for children, and proof of income.

It has registered 686 children to provide with gifts this year, up from 613 last year.

At the Salvation Army, 30,000 children have registered for the Angel Tree program, which allows children to request the gifts they want most. That's up 20 percent from last year, spokesman Juan Alanis said.
Gifts for all children

Alanis and Young say they will serve families if the children are here legally, regardless of the parents' status. The Salvation Army provides gifts for all children in the family if one sibling is a citizen.

The Outreach Program requires parents to show photo identification and birth certificates or Social Security cards for the children. Young said she makes an exception if parents can show they have applied for legal status or that a child is enrolled in school.

Alicia White, a spokeswoman for the Fire Department, said it is up to each group distributing toys to decide how to do so. The other groups giving out toys collected by firefighters — Catholic Charities and the Hispanic Firefighters Caucus— do not ask about immigration status.

Participants in the Houston Chronicle's Goodfellows toy drive were selected by the Texas Health and Human Services Commission, chosen from those with children between the ages of 2 and 10 who receive food stamps, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families and Medicaid. People who aren't legal residents don't qualify for those services, but others in their household may.
Pre-registration closed

Most local toy drives are no longer accepting applications, although the Outreach Program doesn't pre-register recipients, so families needing gifts for their children will line up Dec. 23 at 1305 Benson.

One of the season's first big toy distribution events will be Saturday at the George R. Brown Convention Center, when 2,520 children from 63 area elementary schools will be treated to gifts by Navidad En El Barrio.

Israel Gomez, a retired Houston police officer who runs the program, said the kids are asked to donate one can of food.

Navidad En El Barrio draws participants from schools with a high percentage of students who qualify for free lunches.

For programs that select recipients themselves, deciding what documentation to require can be tricky. Alanis said the Salvation Army traditionally has required photo identification and proof of income and legal residency to ensure help reaches those most in need and to prevent people from registering at multiple Salvation Army locations.

Catholic Charities doesn't ask for proof of income or immigration status. But it does require identification and birth certificates to ensure people actually have the number of children they claim, spokeswoman Julissa Guerrero Chappell said.

JB_Parrothead
12-01-2009, 12:39 PM
GOOD!!! IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!

That's the MAIN REASON I quit giving to Toys for Tots and to the Salvation Army over 5 years ago. I noticed the majority of the people receiving the gifts were illegals or their anchor babies!! Sorry, but I was taught that it's your duty to take of your own first and foremost. Once that's done, then you can take care of others.

That's the philosophy that made this nation great and a beacon of hope for the rest of the world.

Jeanfromfillmore
12-01-2009, 12:45 PM
Alanis and Young say they will serve families if the children are here legally, regardless of the parents' status. The Salvation Army provides gifts for all children in the family if one sibling is a citizen. quote


Again, rewarding the illegals for having an anchor baby. Until all these illegals are out of this country, we secure the border and this whole country, I refuse to support any of these programs. I don't care if their Christmas was miserable, the illegals have created a miserable Christmas for many of our citizens. If they're so miserable then they should go back to their own country and see what they can get for free there. It's their countries responsibility to care for these people and their children.

Give those toys to our vets families.

JB_Parrothead
12-01-2009, 01:00 PM
That still makes 'em JACK POT BABIES!!! And it still encourages them to come here and drop several for the free rides they can get for having at least one in the family!!

Cruisingfool
12-01-2009, 07:54 PM
At least somebody is checking citizenship, I never thought it would be charities though....

Ayatollahgondola
12-01-2009, 08:12 PM
At least somebody is checking citizenship, I never thought it would be charities though....

We will be soon.

REWHBLCAIN
12-01-2009, 08:56 PM
We will be soon.sign of a champion!

Ayatollahgondola
12-01-2009, 09:06 PM
sign of champion(s)!

had to fix that...

Patriotic Army Mom
12-02-2009, 12:46 PM
I've been very vocal about this for a couple of years. No matter what we have had, it's always been more then some else. At the girls schools, church, along my way where ever I go, it's if any of this is going to illegals, I'll keep my donation. I've also written a few that used to send me mail asking for donations. We've got too many Americans needing stuff. One year on the TV I watched who was sputtering in Spanish about how great all the free toys were. Wild is not even the word you could have pinned on me. We have a poor man's box ready to put in our car, so that the girls and I can find a homeless American and bring some Christmas cheer to them.

REWHBLCAIN
12-02-2009, 12:48 PM
Local Salvation Army asks for proof of residence in toy giveaways
By Veronique Masterson
The KVIA News (El Paso, TX), December 1, 2009
http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=11602889

El Paso, TX - Requirements for those getting help from one local organization have some folks wondering if this is an immigration check rather than helping those in need this holiday season.

Typically, the holidays bring about thoughts of thanks and the joys of giving.

'I'm always donating, at least three times a year,' said Tracy Grant while shopping at Bassett Place.

Despite the selflessness of some, this year officials say donations are low.

This season more than 600 families signed up for assistance with the Salvation Army in El Paso.

More than 1,600 are children asking for toys, like skateboards or scooters.

Captain Keith Bottjen with the Salvation Army said, 'The people who are coming in, they're truly needy and it's good to be able to help.'

Their wishes are hung on trees at malls and stores around the city.

There is, however, a catch not many know about.

'Unfortunately, due to grants and other restrictions we have to go a little farther and prove residence and stuff like that,' Bottjen said.

Salvation Army officials say this is not an issue of immigration. They only need to know if the children getting the toys live here.

'It is a difficult thing to decide because when people come in and they need help and you're looking at the kids and you're looking at the need and you're fulfilling the need,' Bottjen explained.

A child's social security card, birth certificate, or his or her report card is all that's needed.

But some, like shopper Tracy Grant, say it's not fair.

'Just help the kids no matter what, I think,' Grant said. 'Don't you think so?'

The intention isn't to take away the spirit of Christmas, just to keep the donations in El Paso.

The Salvation Army also verifies the immigration status of anyone who comes to their shelter.

To make a donation or volunteer for the Salvation Army call them at 544-9811.

REWHBLCAIN
12-02-2009, 12:49 PM
Charities say they don't intend to discriminate
By Jeannie Kever
The Houston Chronicle, December 1, 2009
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6747215.html

Two Houston charities that require proof of citizenship or legal residency before registering families for holiday toy drives said Tuesday their intentions have been misunderstood.

Executive Assistant Fire Chief Rick Flanagan said people won't be turned away from a Dec. 23 giveaway even if they can't provide proof of their immigration status.

'They ask,' Flanagan said of the Outreach Program Inc., which distributes toys collected by the Houston Fire Department. 'If (people) don't have identification, they still get in. I wouldn't have the program if they didn't.'

And the Salvation Army, which asks for a Social Security number when registering children for its gift program, said it does so only to deter fraud.

Flanagan and Salvation Army spokesman Juan Alanis spoke up Tuesday after a story in the Chronicle noted that both groups require birth certificates, Social Security numbers or other documents indicating immigration status. They said it's not their intent to discriminate.

Alanis acknowledged that families cannot register for the Angel Tree program, which allows children to request specific gifts, unless one member of the family can present a Social Security number.

'It is not because we seek to discriminate. The Salvation Army is not in the business of verifying legal status,' he said. 'We have to be good stewards. If we let people register without checking, that could be abused.'

Alanis said the agency uses Social Security numbers, rather than some other type of identifier, because 'that's just the way we've found to verify it at this point. If other agencies do something different, we'd be interested in finding that out.'

Families also are asked to provide proof of income; they must be at or below the poverty level to participate. About 30,000 children are registered for the program this year, up 20 percent from last year.

A fire department spokeswoman said Monday it is up to each charity — the fire department also works with Catholic Charities and the Hispanic Firefighters Caucus, neither of which checks immigration status — to set its own toy distribution policies.

Fliers in English, Spanish

Outreach Program founder Lorugene Young said she wants to ensure the parents are citizens, legal immigrants or working to become legal residents, although she makes an exception if families can show the children are enrolled in school.

But Flanagan said even that was too strong a description for the way Young really operates, saying her main interest is in verifying names of recipients so she can provide that information to the fire department. Young on Tuesday noted that a flier announcing the Dec. 23 toy giveaway at 1305 Benson, the site of a now-closed Houston Independent School District elementary school, is printed in both English and Spanish.

The HFD toy drive begins today and continues through Dec. 18. Donors are asked to drop off new, unwrapped toys at any fire station.

Jeanfromfillmore
12-02-2009, 02:05 PM
These invaders come here and don't give a rats a$$ about our culture, flag or country. We live with the barrios/gangs and damage they've caused 365 days a year. Yet we're suppose to care if their Christmas isn't so great and doesn't allow them to suck more out of our citizens. And I don't care if they are 'discriminated' against. They've discriminated against our culture and kicked it to the curb, burned our flag and marched in our streets with a foreign flag. Now they're seeing there are consequences to their actions. And NO we are not responsible for their over breeding. If you can't keep your legs crossed it's your own fault. Give your anchors and illegal kids the Christmas present of going back to your home country.