"Michelle my Belle!"

[willworkforfood]

I'm really starting to like this little lady! Her grade at NumbersUSA is B- but I think we can raise that to an A. The Dems. fear her!

http://video.foxnews.com/#/v/4698459/rep-bachmann-we-may-announce-campaign-decision-soon/?playlist_id=86858

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKvee-w0uBc

[Rim05]

IWillwork, you are new here so I will try to be kind. In my opinion Bachmann is a WILD woman. She is worse than Palin. I did not know we had so many strange people in political office.

[LAPhil]

IWillwork, you are new here so I will try to be kind. In my opinion Bachmann is a WILD woman. She is worse than Palin. I did not know we had so many strange people in political office.

Maybe this will change your mind, Rim:
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/action/2012-presidential-hopefuls-immigration-stances.html?jid=916615&lid=9&rid=16026&tid=28270

So what's so strange about her?

[usa today]

Most of you here have known me a long time

I think right now Bachmann is our BEST CHOICE , if she runs

"willworkforfood" is not exactly a rookie , He has extensive experience in our movement , He did the research ,

JMO of course

Just because somebody shows up here as a newbie on this board , do not assume they are a rube , it wouldn't be prudent:)

[LAPhil]

Most of you here have known me a long time

I think right now Bachmann is our BEST CHOICE , if she runs

"willworkforfood" is not exactly a rookie , He has extensive experience in our movement , He did the research ,

JMO of course

Just because somebody shows up here as a newbie on this board , do not assume they are a rube , it wouldn't be prudent:)
And that's particularly true in your case. :D

[Ayatollahgondola]

Just because somebody shows up here as a newbie on this board , do not assume they are a rube , it wouldn't be prudent:)

We're all rube's; that's why we get screwed by globalists and politicians

[The Waco Kid]

Rim,
What is so bad about Palin, please point out in detail.

Do you blindly follow what you read in the papers and see on TV? Sounds like it, said with all due respect.

Again please do point out what is wrong with Palin, other than she is not afraid to speak the truth.

Thanks

[LAPhil]

Rim,
What is so bad about Palin, please point out in detail.

Do you blindly follow what you read in the papers and see on TV? Sounds like it, said with all due respect.

Again please do point out what is wrong with Palin, other than she is not afraid to speak the truth.

Thanks
And also Bachmann, if you don't mind. I hope you're willing to give some details this time.

[Rim05]

I am not too much for typing long post but here is my answer to Phil and Iwillwork.
True, this is my first time to hear from Iwillwork so, he/she is New to me.

My opinion of Palin, and I have said this before, she thinks of her self as a smart beauty queen. She is a smart mouth without a brain. She actually thinks she is Presidential Material.

Bachmann is another loud mouth who wants to be Queen and will go to any length to be one. She is another one who would love to see people tearing each other apart.

I see and hear the same things everyone else here does. I make up my own mind about what is said and what fiddle is played by all.

Just have to tell you about a funny I heard a few days ago. Some commentator said Bachmann makes Palin look intelligent.

[Ayatollahgondola]

I think this thread belongs in the politics related section.

So is Bachman at presidential hopeful, or something else? I don't know much about her.

Why would the dems fear her?

[REWHBLCAIN]

Dems don't like smart woman Republicans, The bottom line is that Palin was just another house wife raising kids who got fed up with the politics around her so she ran for office and kept climbing the ladder until she reached this point, If that isn't the most Patriotic thing I have ever seen in my life than I don't know what is!!

How could anyone say this woman is not a great image for this country? Huh RIM?

[LAPhil]

I think this thread belongs in the politics related section.

So is Bachman at presidential hopeful, or something else? I don't know much about her.

Why would the dems fear her?
I don't think the Dems do fear her. They're hoping the Republicans put up someone like her who doesn't have much of a track record and would be easy to beat. That's not saying she's not the kind of candidate I'd want, because as you can see from the link I posted to NumbersUSA, she has the best voting record on illegal immigration of any of the major candidates (even if it is only a B-). But she is only a congresswoman after all, and normally the candidate who gets the party's nomination is at least a senator or governor.

[willworkforfood]

"Shoot watch what the Democraps do if she runs!"
They fear her, cause she's a woman for one and she's a good person for another! Watch! She's been getting campaign donations from all over the country! Plus she's not hard to look upon! Looking at Obama makes my FN ass tighten up every time I see that Pink-O wuss!

[willworkforfood]

IWillwork, you are new here so I will try to be kind.

"You don't have to be kind to me, and yeah! I'm new here hell just got a PC in Sep. and crashed it a couple of times, but I too have my reasons for being here and it sure the hell ain't cause an illegal cut in front of me at Walmart!

You sign this yet?

"Sign the petition and tell your friends!"

http://www.dontcensorthenet.com/full-text-of-the-protect-ip-act-of-2011

Tell you family and friends to sign!
http://www.dontcensorthenet.com/thank-you

[willworkforfood]

Most of you here have known me a long time

I think right now Bachmann is our BEST CHOICE , if she runs

"willworkforfood" is not exactly a rookie , He has extensive experience in our movement , He did the research ,

JMO of course

Just because somebody shows up here as a newbie on this board , do not assume they are a rube , it wouldn't be prudent:)

"I've learned a lot from you Captain America!" and I know you're not here cause a illegal cut in front of you at Walmart! I want to help fight this anyway I can! I'm sick of whiny ass illegals and they're over endulged Anchors!

[willworkforfood]

[B]I am not too much for typing long post but here is my answer to Phil and Iwillwork.
True, this is my first time to hear from Iwillwork so, he/she is New to me.

My opinion of Palin, and I have said this before, she thinks of her self as a smart beauty queen. She is a smart mouth without a brain. She actually thinks she is Presidential Material.

Bachmann is another loud mouth who wants to be Queen and will go to any length to be one. She is another one who would love to see people tearing each other apart.

"Sounds like you had to take your fat cousin to the prom!"

[LAPhil]

Just have to tell you about a funny I heard a few days ago. Some commentator said Bachmann makes Palin look intelligent.
Who was that, Chris Matthews? Rachel Maddow? Really stupid comment if you ask me.

[LAPhil]

"Sounds like you had to take your fat cousin to the prom!"
wwff, I guess you don't know RIM05 is a female.

[Ayatollahgondola]

"Sounds like you had to take your fat cousin to the prom!"

If I may interject here. We don't do much censoring here, as we believe most people can defend themselves pretty well. But a little advice is given. Most of us are comrades, or at least should be, and there's no reason to get off on the wrong foot with anyone over politics. RIM is as opposed to illegalism as anyone I've seen, and has stood on the streets with many of us in threatening conditions. I know a little banter is standard on internet forums, but usually that kind of teasing is reserved for people who know each other a little first

[The Waco Kid]

I am not too much for typing long post but here is my answer to Phil and Iwillwork.
True, this is my first time to hear from Iwillwork so, he/she is New to me.

My opinion of Palin, and I have said this before, she thinks of her self as a smart beauty queen. She is a smart mouth without a brain. She actually thinks she is Presidential Material.

Bachmann is another loud mouth who wants to be Queen and will go to any length to be one. She is another one who would love to see people tearing each other apart.

I see and hear the same things everyone else here does. I make up my own mind about what is said and what fiddle is played by all.

Just have to tell you about a funny I heard a few days ago. Some commentator said Bachmann makes Palin look intelligent.

This is merely your opinion/perception, nothing to back up your opinion, therefore so much more BS. Plz do provide some facts upon which u base your opinion. Forgive me for saying so but this is the typical bastion of liberals, symbolism over substance. You will have to do better. Let's have some factual policy based stuff, not emotional, visceral reaction kind of stuff.
We are humans after all have logic, please use it.

[willworkforfood]

If I may interject here. We don't do much censoring here, as we believe most people can defend themselves pretty well. But a little advice is given. Most of us are comrades, or at least should be, and there's no reason to get off on the wrong foot with anyone over politics. RIM is as opposed to illegalism as anyone I've seen, and has stood on the streets with many of us in threatening conditions. I know a little banter is standard on internet forums, but usually that kind of teasing is reserved for people who know each other a little first

Standing in threatening conditions, I've had a truck load of drunk illegals try to run me down when I was 13 on a dark country farm road, I've had them stick a knife to my throat when I was 12, I had an adult hispanic male stand on my neck in a public swimming pool and damn near drown! I've had a group of young black males 15 to 20 yrs of age try to stone me to death when I was swimming in the levy at 8yrs old, I've had 6 black males put the boots to me one night at age 9. And you know that was the least of my problems growing up!

I've hated my country most of my life! And recently I have realized I do love my country and will fight for her as though she is my beloved bride! And above said list goes on and on!

And you're right I shouldn't take jabs at users I don't know, but hey she's jabbin' at the only GOP candidate I have that isn't pandering to illegals.

[Rim05]

I started my post to Iwill work in a friendly manner, noting that he/she is new here.
I was ask for my opinion on some one (Palin and Bachmann) and I gave it. That is my opinion and it will not change. I hope all noted that I did not post anyone that I am excited about.
This thing of thinking all must agree with others is child thinking. I read and watch different things and then make up my own mind.
The truth is, They All Lie, so people can believe which ever they want to believe.

I find it a comedy to see people try to cut a person down because that person does not agree with what they say.

I just have to throw my opinion in once in a while.:)

[willworkforfood]

[B]I started my post to Iwill work in a friendly manner, noting that he/she is new here.

I just don't think you looked at Bachmann very well before you slammed her!
She's a great lady, who's done some wonderful things! Not just as a politician.

And come election day, I want all of us to back a winner, and yeah that's probably selfish and childish, but hey that's me, I'm only 53. Plus she's "Hot" lookin'!

quick link to her immigration page, and rest of her site!
http://bachmann.house.gov/Issues/Issue/?IssueID=4316

Good-night Rim05 and Cali. I'm tired I tore off 3500sq.ft. of shingles today, single handily.

[The Waco Kid]

I started my post to Iwill work in a friendly manner, noting that he/she is new here.
I was ask for my opinion on some one (Palin and Bachmann) and I gave it. That is my opinion and it will not change. I hope all noted that I did not post anyone that I am excited about.
This thing of thinking all must agree with others is child thinking. I read and watch different things and then make up my own mind.
The truth is, They All Lie, so people can believe which ever they want to believe.

I find it a comedy to see people try to cut a person down because that person does not agree with what they say.

I just have to throw my opinion in once in a while.:)

So you just "know what you know" and bother with no reference or factual basis for your opinion. Sorry but that is what got our country to where it is now. You are entitled to your opinions but if you expect them to be taken seriously you must back them up with facts. Otherwise you are pissing in the wind and we all know what happens in that scenario. The comedy of which you speak is exactly what you are doing. So in your own words you should not say a word about Pailin or Bachman. Painted yourself (oh so clearly)in a corner.
:cool:

[REWHBLCAIN]

So you just "know what you know" and bother with no reference or factual basis for your opinion. Sorry but that is what got our country to where it is now. You are entitled to your opinions but if you expect them to be taken seriously you must back them up with facts. Otherwise you are pissing in the wind and we all know what happens in that scenario. The comedy of which you speak is exactly what you are doing. So in your own words you should not say a word about Pailin or Bachman. Painted yourself (oh so clearly)in a corner.
:cool:
That's what Demorats do. Anyone who voted for Obama and defends him is not all there. Herman Cain is supposed to throw his hat into the ring soon and he is excellent on immigration.

Herman Cain on Immigration: "Secure the Border; Empower the States."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPE9ARPk_6w

[wetibbe]

As a conservative Republican I like both Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman for their attitudes and political positions. And as an NRA member and hunter I like Sarah's fondness of fishing and hunting.

I suppose I like them because I see the other side of women such as Nancy Pelosi. Maxine Waters, Barbara Boxer and numerous others and thus I am thankful that all women are not alike. To me it's nice to have the females in my camp. conservatives, and liking guns and fishing rods too instead of bleating for amnesty, open borders and bans on guns and hunting.

However, both Sarah and Michelle are way down in the polls and there isn't anything on the horizon, that I can see, that will move either one up to be serious contenders who have a shot at the nomination.

I'm shocked that Ron Paul isn't even mentioned in the polls on Fox news now.

My guy is Mitt Romney. Now that Huckabee and Trump dropped out and Gingrich floundered on the rocks Mitt seems to be in the lead.
Famous former mayor of NYC, Ed Koch, said if a candidate had 12 points and you agree with nine go with him/her. There is no perfect candidate.

As it stands now, Obama may not have a very good chance at re-election for several reasons. Not only his eligibility, which he wont be able to prove to the satisfaction of several states, but also the economy, gas prices, inflation, illegal immigration, foreign policy, and a host of other issues including Obamacare and energy/environment, drilling

[LAPhil]

I started my post to Iwill work in a friendly manner, noting that he/she is new here.
I was ask for my opinion on some one (Palin and Bachmann) and I gave it. That is my opinion and it will not change. I hope all noted that I did not post anyone that I am excited about.
This thing of thinking all must agree with others is child thinking. I read and watch different things and then make up my own mind.
The truth is, They All Lie, so people can believe which ever they want to believe.

I find it a comedy to see people try to cut a person down because that person does not agree with what they say.

I just have to throw my opinion in once in a while.:)

Rim, I understand that you don't like Palin and Bachmann because of their personalities. I'd like to know how you feel about their stands on the issues. Are you aware of their positions on illegal immigration?

[LAPhil]

That's what Demorats do. Anyone who voted for Obama and defends him is not all there. Herman Cain is supposed to throw his hat into the ring soon and he is excellent on immigration.

Herman Cain on Immigration: "Secure the Border; Empower the States."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPE9ARPk_6w
Good video! I don't know why NumbersUSA gives him a D+. When you go down the list of his positions, he only has one that's on the negative side. It seems their grading system is way out of line.

[Rim05]

So you just "know what you know" and bother with no reference or factual basis for your opinion. Sorry but that is what got our country to where it is now. You are entitled to your opinions but if you expect them to be taken seriously you must back them up with facts. Otherwise you are pissing in the wind and we all know what happens in that scenario. The comedy of which you speak is exactly what you are doing. So in your own words you should not say a word about Pailin or Bachman. Painted yourself (oh so clearly)in a corner.


I am glad to see that you at least realize that I am entitled to my opinion. At least you know that much. I am not in any kind of corner, I just know from experience what a know everything and it will be by way, will keep this going until some one closes the thread.
The most I can say about both of the Belles is they don't know what they are babbling about and they just plain get on my nerves.

I will also remind you that you were the Acid Mouth of the old SOS, so chew on that.

It should be common knowledge that if a poster posts something a few others do not agree with, they think they can and will attack. Go ahead, doesn't bother me. My opinions are still the same and I will always go with my own beliefs.

Phil, I gave my reasons in my post. And Chris M was not the person who made the funny. It was a guest on some program, I really don't remember who.

[The Waco Kid]

I am glad to see that you at least realize that I am entitled to my opinion. At least you know that much. I am not in any kind of corner, I just know from experience what a know everything and it will be by way, will keep this going until some one closes the thread.
The most I can say about both of the Belles is they don't know what they are babbling about and they just plain get on my nerves.

I will also remind you that you were the Acid Mouth of the old SOS, so chew on that.

It should be common knowledge that if a poster posts something a few others do not agree with, they think they can and will attack. Go ahead, doesn't bother me. My opinions are still the same and I will always go with my own beliefs.

Phil, I gave my reasons in my post. And Chris M was not the person who made the funny. It was a guest on some program, I really don't remember who.


There you go, you cannot tell us one thing of substance to support your ad hom attacks on Palin and then to compound the nonsense you personally attack me with childish name calling. You can stick your head in the sand "and know what you know" but that will never provide you with a cogent argument to back up what you say, therefore most thinking people will dismiss your statements for what they are, empty declarations. Your approach is quite simple and a tactic liberals use all the time. Ask a simple yes or no question and they don't answer but instead change the subject and launch a straw man argument. Do you understand the difference of Opinion and fact? I think not, people who blindly follow the main stream media without reviewing the facts are the reason with now have president BO.

Now I know you think Sara and Michelle are babbling and it gets on your nerves, however that sounds like something an overwrought housewife blurts out in a moment of frustration & sheer emotion when she can't control the kids, no thought behind it, just a visceral reaction.

It all comes down to intellect verses emotion. People who base their opinions upon factual substance are those to be taken seriously while the ones basing opinion upon emotion are usually uninformed and very easily dismissed. They are nonetheless still entitled to their opinion just as I am entitled to not take them seriously.

Love ya babe,
Old Acid Mouth
:cool:

[LAPhil]

Love ya babe,
Old Acid Mouth
:cool:
"Old Acid Mouth" :D Should we just call you that from now on?

[LAPhil]

Phil, I gave my reasons in my post.
Rim, with all due respect, I really don't think you did give any reasons when it comes to their positions on the issues. Let me try this another way: If Palin and Bachmann were to come out and say they not only oppose amnesty but they would never support a path to citizenship for those who are here illegally and would in fact deport as many of them as possible, would that change your feelings?

[The Waco Kid]

"Old Acid Mouth" :D Should we just call you that from now on?
You can call me whatever you want dear, just don't call me late to Happy Hour.

:)

[Rim05]

Rim, with all due respect, I really don't think you did give any reasons when it comes to their positions on the issues. Let me try this another way: If Palin and Bachmann were to come out and say they not only oppose amnesty but they would never support a path to citizenship for those who are here illegally and would in fact deport as many of them as possible, would that change your feelings?


Phil, we have known each other and have been on the streets togather many times so, I don't really want to agrue with you.
The things I have said about Palin and Bachmann are from the things they have said in the past and I formed my opinion on those things.
They remind me of Sharon Engle and Christine O'Donald.
I don't know what more I can tell you.
As far as the insults from our other member, SHE IS KNOWN FOR THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR. I have some video and posts from the old SOS. I can pull those things up if/when ever I want.

[LAPhil]

Phil, we have known each other and have been on the streets togather many times so, I don't really want to agrue with you.
The things I have said about Palin and Bachmann are from the things they have said in the past and I formed my opinion on those things.
They remind me of Sharon Engle and Christine O'Donald.
I don't know what more I can tell you.
As far as the insults from our other member, SHE IS KNOWN FOR THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR. I have some video and posts from the old SOS. I can pull those things up if/when ever I want.

No problem, Rim, I won't belabor the subject. As for this other member, I've known her and am aware of her history. I was just making a joke which she apparently took in good humor.

[willworkforfood]

So how do feel about Herman Cain? Rimo5

[The Waco Kid]

Dems don't like smart woman Republicans, The bottom line is that Palin was just another house wife raising kids who got fed up with the politics around her so she ran for office and kept climbing the ladder until she reached this point, If that isn't the most Patriotic thing I have ever seen in my life than I don't know what is!!

How could anyone say this woman is not a great image for this country? Huh RIM?
Yeah, I would like to know too, but so far all we get are vague regurgitations of Katie Couric type stuff, the stuff the main stream media feeds Joe and Jane sixpack who do not take time to do their own research or become genuinely informed.

I love Sara, she is fearless, that combined with her looks scares the hell out of certain shrinking violet types.

[willworkforfood]

E-mail our new "President" here:
http://cast.thirdage.com/files/styles/article/public/originals/michele-bachmann.jpg

This is Michelle's email link, and these are the 4 digit codes needed to email her!

http://bachmann.house.gov/Contact/ZipCode.htm

55125-1018

55125-1002

Michelle Bachmann on Illegal Immigration

The United States is a nation founded by immigrants and prides itself on the principles of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Obtaining the “American Dream” is an inherent part of our nation’s spirit and we should encourage those who enter our country legally to achieve it. However, we are also a nation founded on the rule of law and we must ensure U.S. immigration laws are respected and enforced to preserve our national security; protect federal, state, and local budgets; and curb unfair strain on our country’s job markets.

The last time our immigration laws were overhauled was in 1986, when Congress granted amnesty to almost three million illegal immigrants in the U.S. and promised increased border security in the near future. Twenty years later, the number of illegal immigrants in our country has quadrupled, with no end in sight. Rather than repeating the mistakes of our past, I believe Congress must work to secure our nation’s borders and enforce the immigration laws already in place. Once this is achieved, improvements to the current system can be considered.

Those who approach our immigration system legally and work through the established process should be welcomed. However, any proposal for reform must not reward those who choose to break our laws by entering the country illegally.

[LAPhil]

E-mail our new "President" here:
http://cast.thirdage.com/files/styles/article/public/originals/michele-bachmann.jpg

This is Michelle's email link, and these are the 4 digit codes needed to email her!

http://bachmann.house.gov/Contact/ZipCode.htm

55125-1018

55125-1002

Michelle Bachmann on Illegal Immigration

The United States is a nation founded by immigrants and prides itself on the principles of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Obtaining the “American Dream” is an inherent part of our nation’s spirit and we should encourage those who enter our country legally to achieve it. However, we are also a nation founded on the rule of law and we must ensure U.S. immigration laws are respected and enforced to preserve our national security; protect federal, state, and local budgets; and curb unfair strain on our country’s job markets.

The last time our immigration laws were overhauled was in 1986, when Congress granted amnesty to almost three million illegal immigrants in the U.S. and promised increased border security in the near future. Twenty years later, the number of illegal immigrants in our country has quadrupled, with no end in sight. Rather than repeating the mistakes of our past, I believe Congress must work to secure our nation’s borders and enforce the immigration laws already in place. Once this is achieved, improvements to the current system can be considered.

Those who approach our immigration system legally and work through the established process should be welcomed. However, any proposal for reform must not reward those who choose to break our laws by entering the country illegally.
Quadrupled? That would only be 12 million. Why do politicians and the media always low-ball the real number?

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Quadrupled? That would only be 12 million. Why do politicians and the media always low-ball the real number?Phil most of those graduating from high school these days can't do the math, literally can't do the math. So politicians can pull out any numbers they want and most wouldn't know the difference.

[LAPhil]

Phil most of those graduating from high school these days can't do the math, literally can't do the math. So politicians can pull out any numbers they want and most wouldn't know the difference.
Either that or the politicians think that if people knew what the real number was they would be demanding action NOW.

[Rim05]

Quote:
Originally Posted by LAPhil
Quadrupled? That would only be 12 million. Why do politicians and the media always low-ball the real number?

Phil most of those graduating from high school these days can't do the math, literally can't do the math. So politicians can pull out any numbers they want and most wouldn't know the difference.


There could be 50 million. Are you still believing that 11 million song and dance?

[LAPhil]

There could be 50 million. Are you still believing that 11 million song and dance?

50 million would be a bit high. That would mean one in six people in this country is an illegal. This is the number I trust: http://www.immigrationcounters.com/

[Ayatollahgondola]

The reason the government keeps spouting that number is that it is probably close to accurate given that many of the illegals from years prior have been given legal status, ie amnesty. Maybe not citizenship, but legal status to work. I've been harping about this since my early days at SOS, and I know people don't want to hear it, but it's true. They are, and have been legalizing a big portion of the illegal entrants every year, but we have new ones that take their place. Now if you added the amnestied ones into the numbers since 2003 or 2004, you'd probably have 20 to 25 million illegals. I think RIM's estiate would be accurate if you added the sum of the illegals + the amnestied over 6 years + the generous work visas the government doles out + the tourist and other non work visas that work anyway or do not.

[LAPhil]

The reason the government keeps spouting that number is that it is probably close to accurate given that many of the illegals from years prior have been given legal status, ie amnesty. Maybe not citizenship, but legal status to work. I've been harping about this since my early days at SOS, and I know people don't want to hear it, but it's true. They are, and have been legalizing a big portion of the illegal entrants every year, but we have new ones that take their place. Now if you added the amnestied ones into the numbers since 2003 or 2004, you'd probably have 20 to 25 million illegals. I think RIM's estiate would be accurate if you added the sum of the illegals + the amnestied over 6 years + the generous work visas the government doles out + the tourist and other non work visas that work anyway or do not.
Interesting. How are those illegals who get amnesty or legal status able to do so?

[Ayatollahgondola]

Interesting. How are those illegals who get amnesty or legal status able to do so?

The government just does it. I've relayed personally known cases in regards to that....my former employees...their relatives....some of their friends....they all got legal status despite illegal entry

[LAPhil]

The government just does it. I've relayed personally known cases in regards to that....my former employees...their relatives....some of their friends....they all got legal status despite illegal entry
Don't they at least have to apply for it?

[Ayatollahgondola]

Don't they at least have to apply for it?

At the time they were discovered to have been living and working here illegally, they did. some did after that. The point being, amnesty is already a reality and has been for years.

[willworkforfood]

Palin shot a lone wolf from a helicopter, I could never vote for her just for that reason! And the whole "Going Rouge!" is kinda hokie too! But the lone wolf killed it for me!

Michelle Bachmann raised 5 kids of her own and 28 foster kids! She can definitely multi task! She's a tax attorney so she can stop all these tax exempt organizations from receiving federal and state funds. And she may have done a couple of stupid things, but come on our President now and many in the past are complete dumbasses! She has a B- at numbersUSA and I believe with your help we can bring her grade up!

I'd really like Herman Cain to win, for my own selfish reasons! Ron Paul is a good man he just lost me when he said "It's impossible to deport 12million illegal immigrants!" (jaw drop) it's not impossible! It's as easy to deport as it is easy for them to get in here!

[LAPhil]

At the time they were discovered to have been living and working here illegally, they did. some did after that. The point being, amnesty is already a reality and has been for years.
No wonder they keep coming if they have so little to lose. I had no idea.

[Twoller]

The reason the government keeps spouting that number is that it is probably close to accurate given that many of the illegals from years prior have been given legal status, ie amnesty. Maybe not citizenship, but legal status to work. I've been harping about this since my early days at SOS, and I know people don't want to hear it, but it's true. They are, and have been legalizing a big portion of the illegal entrants every year, but we have new ones that take their place. Now if you added the amnestied ones into the numbers since 2003 or 2004, you'd probably have 20 to 25 million illegals. I think RIM's estiate would be accurate if you added the sum of the illegals + the amnestied over 6 years + the generous work visas the government doles out + the tourist and other non work visas that work anyway or do not.

"They [the government] are, and have been legalizing a big portion of the illegal entrants every year ..." I'd need to see more details on how this occurs before I believed that.

It is better to over estimate the number of illegals then it is underestimate. And let us not forget that illegal immigration could not exist if it were not for the efforts of those who are here legally and also for those who are naturalized citizens. So it is non-citizens in this country that are the basical problem and this number needs to go down. The number needs to be decreased through massive deportation through increasing criminalization of activities by both illegals and legals, that is the only way, and unless we stand for that, amnesty is the only other solution.

[willworkforfood]

Roy Beck estimates the number around 36million which seems more realistic then 12million

[willworkforfood]

ELECTION 2012
Bachmann surges far ahead of Republican contenders
Candidate races to 19-point lead over next closest GOP hopeful
Posted: July 05, 2011
6:10 pm Eastern
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By Joe Kovacs

Congresswoman Michele Bachmann is surging far ahead of her Republican rivals in the race for the 2012 GOP presidential nomination, according to a new Zogby poll.

The U.S. representative from Minnesota, who led among announced candidates in a June 21 poll, has now added 10 percentage points to her previous mark, and now stands at 34 percent.

That's a 19-point lead over second place Herman Cain, who stayed the same at 15 percent support.

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Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney came in third place, but dropped a point to 14 percent, and U.S. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas dropped two percentage points to 11 percent, coming in fourth place.

They were followed by Rick Santorum at 7 percent, Tim Pawlenty and Jon Huntsman at 4 percent, and Newt Gingrich at 2 percent.

While Bachmann's support is growing, she could face trouble if some other well-known names jump into the race.

Zogby also asked for whom would Republicans vote in a primary if Texas Gov. Rick Perry, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin were candidates.

In that hypothetical scenario, Perry finished first with 18 percent, Christie second with 17 percent, Bachmann third at 15 percent, Paul fourth at 10 percent, Palin fifth at 9 percent, and Cain and Romney tied for sixth with 8 percent each.

Four Republicans (Christie, Romney, Bachmann and Pawlenty) were each in a statistical tie with President Obama when matched up against him. All other GOP contenders trail Obama.

Zogby also asked for which candidates would you never vote, and Gingrich topped the list at 46 percent, followed by Huntsman at 43 percent and Paul at 38 percent, as voters could opt for more than one choice.

The poll also asked, "Regardless of whom you intend to vote for, who do you think will get the nomination?"

Romney led the pack at 37 percent, followed by Perry at 17 percent and Bachmann at 10 percent.

The online survey of 1,042 likely Republican primary voters was taken June 28-30, and has a margin of error of +/- 3.1 percentage points.

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[LAPhil]

Roy Beck estimates the number around 36million which seems more realistic then 12million
Do you have a link which shows that? I can't believe he would say it was that high.

[Rim05]

50 million would be a bit high. That would mean one in six people in this country is an illegal. This is the number I trust: http://www.immigrationcounters.com/


When I am out and about or watching the public on TV, I think it could be close to one in four.

[Rim05]

Michelle Bachmann raised 5 kids of her own and 28 foster kids! She can definitely multi task! She's a tax attorney so she can stop all these tax exempt organizations from receiving federal and state funds. And she may have done a couple of stupid things, but come on our President now and many in the past are complete dumbasses! She has a B- at numbersUSA and I believe with your help we can bring her grade up!

I'd really like Herman Cain to win, for my own selfish reasons! Ron Paul is a good man he just lost me when he said "It's impossible to deport 12million illegal immigrants!" (jaw drop) it's not impossible! It's as easy to deport as it is easy for them to get in here!


I don't think Bachmann raised the kids on her own. I think she is married.
How do you think 'we' can help bring her grade up? That is something she needs to do.
When a politician gets in office they do what ever they can get away with.

I heard Ron Paul one day say, "We should legalize pot, cocaine" and so many other drugs than I cannot remember all of them. He wants to remove all restrictions on drugs.

I will never vote for anyone who wants to leaglize drugs. Next thing they will lower the age to use to maybe 16.

[LAPhil]

When I am out and about or watching the public on TV, I think it could be close to one in four.
That's because you're in Southern California. There are parts of the country where it's less than one in fifty.

[willworkforfood]

The Hill Report: Bachmann in the Driver Seat?
Jul 11, 2011
Debt talks and 2012 campaign get fired up!

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