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Ayatollahgondola
03-25-2011, 10:18 PM
My fellow SOS'ers

I recently received an email from The office of Assemblyman Tim Donnelly. It was written by his aide, Gregg Imus. In the email he took issue with the picture of the gallows attached to my signature line that I put there months ago when I was researching and posting information about the history of California's executions. Seizing upon that picture, he wrote the following:

It has a picture of a hanging platform completed with nooses. I have no idea why you would post that photo but I want it taken of the site now! This lack of discernment greatly concerns me and I fear that all of our efforts to bring this bill to the capital will be hurt by crazy people that your movement attracts.

I'm not quite sure which movement he was referring to, nor how we attract crazy people, but in keeping with my policy of full disclosure here, I wanted you all to hear it from the horses mouth. I did remove the picture, not because of his demand of course, but because that project it was posted for originally had been back-burnered, and I had forgotten about it 'till now. I feel the "crazy people" reference was an unwarranted and completely unneccessary insult, and my first reaction was to defend you all, but then thought I'd better run it by everyone first. The email also included the following:
Joe Turner is my friend and I supported and stood with SOS when he was at the helm. SOS is now a closed group and I do not acknowledge any new group charading as the original.
Thank you in advance for cleaning up this mess.
Gregg Imus
While I'm not sure what conjured this up, but my first guess is that it is related to the email I got from Jeff Schwilk the day before about the Jim Gilchrist interview:
Gregg, this is the guy (Davi) we've been warning you about. Watch out for him at the rally on April 4. Keep your distance and warn the police like Chelene had to do when he was stalking her during her campaign for governor. He's a psycho and supports child killers. Keep your distance from this freak who was booted out of SOS and our movement and then he stole the SOS name for his fake Patriot group. He's an imposter.
So there you have it.
With this hanging over me, I don't think it's best for me to attend the event. Likewise, I have removed the promotion for it because from what I gathered, Donnelly's office does not want the association, or need our help.
With that said, I want to make it clear that this is just me, and SOS, and in no way meant to discourage anyone else in the personal sense, or any other groups. You all know SOS had previously suffered when former management sought to influence and pressure people over their other alliances and associations, and since then, we have formally rejected that practice. We always encourage participation and activism above most everything else, even when they aren't our events. The point is, none of this has to affect the rest of you. If you believe in the bill and support it, go to the event.
SOS will continue to work on events, and we will continue our effort to have a presence at the capitol. Nothing else will change.

Davi Rodrigues
Save Our State

Jeanfromfillmore
03-26-2011, 12:23 AM
I sure wish I was up there to help you and have a good face of with this aid. This has the markings of Chelene and her twisted influence on a sick minded Schwilk. Wow, they will do anything to feel they aren't being ignored. It's not illegal immigration that they care about, it's themselves.

Chelene goes around claiming she's the Gov of Calif and he calls us the crazy people. Wow if that isn't twisted.

ilbegone
03-26-2011, 12:24 AM
The scaffold thing seemed provocative when I first saw it, but knowing what I do about your fairness I didn't give it much thought.

Appearances mean a lot to some people, and the suggestion of a noose via the execution scaffold could be cataclysmatic. Regretfully, one of the things I have learned over the years concerning group politics is that it doesn't matter how sincere one is within one's heart, what one appears to do to the shallow is far more important than what one does in reality.

Do the best to stay true, but some political correctness will always apply as far as potential politics will rear its ugly head.

Jeanfromfillmore
03-26-2011, 12:30 AM
The scaffold thing seemed provocative when I first saw it, but knowing what I do about your fairness I didn't give it much thought.

Appearances mean a lot to some people, and the suggestion of a noose via the execution scaffold could be cataclysmatic. Regretfully, one of the things I have learned over the years concerning group politics is that it doesn't matter how sincere one is within one's heart, what one appears to do to the shallow is far more important than what one does in reality.

Do the best to stay true, but some political correctness will always apply.The scaffold was just an excuse. The aid would have done this anyway, the scaffold just gave him something to point to.

There's a lot about some people that few know about and haven't taken the time to do much investigation to find out. That could be said of Joe and Chelene and especially Schwilk. But I have a feeling they're going to get some needed info in the future.

Ayatollahgondola
03-26-2011, 12:33 AM
The scaffold thing seemed provocative when I first saw it, but knowing what I do about your fairness I didn't give it much thought.

Appearances mean a lot to some people, and the suggestion of a noose via the execution scaffold could be cataclysmatic. Regretfully, one of the things I have learned over the years concerning group politics is that it doesn't matter how sincere one is within one's heart, what one appears to do to the shallow is far more important than what one does in reality.

Do the best to stay true, but some political correctness will always apply.

If it was just the picture he had taken issue with, and had it not included the "crazy people" inference, I would have just changed it upon having it pointed out in a reasonable manner. But obviously, it's not just that.

ilbegone
03-26-2011, 12:40 AM
I only spoke to Joe face to face twice, I don't know him.

I've had my experience with Chelene, but I can't speak for anyone else in that regard.

I don't know Schwilk and I don't give a rat's ass about him. He is not important to I and I'm not important to him.

However, appearances and perceptions do count for a lot. The exception by Donelley's aide may be an excuse for distancing, but appearances do count to the masses.

ilbegone
03-26-2011, 12:43 AM
The above reply was to Jean, but the reference to "crazy people" is out of bounds.

The issue now is whether the aide is speaking for the politician or himself.

Ayatollahgondola
03-26-2011, 12:51 AM
However, appearances and perceptions do count for a lot. The exception by Donelley's aide may be an excuse for distancing, but appearances do count to the masses.

He went quite far beyond the picture, into something that really had no bearing on it whatsoever.

ilbegone
03-26-2011, 12:56 AM
He went quite far beyond the picture, into something that really had no bearing on it whatsoever.

No argument here.

Twoller
03-26-2011, 09:03 AM
Thanks for your attention to this Davi. I'm not sure what is going on, but I like to see somebody like yourself corresponding with out elected officials.

I settle for form letters.

You might explain the setting for this little discourse. What was the email for exactly?

Ayatollahgondola
03-26-2011, 09:16 AM
Thanks for your attention to this Davi. I'm not sure what is going on, but I like to see somebody like yourself corresponding with out elected officials.

I settle for form letters.

You might explain the setting for this little discourse. What was the email for exactly?

What I quoted in the first post was pretty much it.

Ayatollahgondola
03-26-2011, 01:00 PM
The above reply was to Jean, but the reference to "crazy people" is out of bounds.

The issue now is whether the aide is speaking for the politician or himself.

That aide certainly has his own personal email, but this one came from the assembly.ca.gov
I don't want to spend a bunch of energy and time on this. The state capitol is chock full of people who don't receive SOS's input or visits well; a couple more aren't going to change things for the better or worse really.
I'll still be going to the actual committee hearing on the 5th, since it is a government exercise, and we will still try to weigh in on the bill itself.

Twoller
03-26-2011, 01:42 PM
... I fear that all of our efforts to bring this bill to the capital will be hurt by crazy people that your movement attracts.

So you were talking about a bill? What was the bill? Sorry about not knowing already.

Ayatollahgondola
03-26-2011, 05:59 PM
So you were talking about a bill? What was the bill? Sorry about not knowing already.

It's AB26

Cole Younger
03-26-2011, 06:23 PM
It does appear the nut cases are still attempting to lead this movement so nothing has really changed. This Schick guy, nightingale, Don Silva, Barbara Coe, Gheen, Turner, Gilcrest, etc...have done more harm than good. They all started out with a nobel cause and then they destroyed it with petty in fighting to down right criminal behavior........the funny thing is they are calling Davi a traitor. Like most Napoleonic / Hitler type dictators, they can't take constructive criticism. Things have to there way or the highway and the problem is, they do not have a clue.This is not a leader: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjImcBRYYYQ

"it's a order, why? because I said so" I must have failed to get the memo...no one told me they appointed this guy god...

You lead by example and this guy is setting a piss poor example. He became a puppet to a uneducated puppet master. If these idiots are the leaders of the movement, kiss the movement good by. If they cared about the movement, they would step aside and fade away. They won't though. All they care about are themselves. They are in this for personal gain. They need to have there Ego's stroked..They are nobodies trying to be something. They are a waist of time.

Rim05
03-26-2011, 09:44 PM
This is too much, Gregg Imus, thinks he can give orders to SOS.info because his boss wants it done. We are crazy? I could point out a lot of crazy people and they are not here.
Joe Turner is his friend and he has stood with him. Great! I call Joe a friend and I have stood with him many times. So why bring Joe into this. Crazy!

This is what politics does to people, give them a bucket to carry water and they think they are important. The guy has demonstrated that he has no manners or respect for others.
Who cares about his orders.

Jeff has told him about Davi and what a horrible person he is :eek: Jeff needs mental care so we can give him some slack, I guess.

If Chelene is now the Governor of CA who is Jeff, her Attorney General? I could guess who the Lt. Gov is but I will not say. Hey, who is the treasurer?


This is what politics does to a person, they go on a power trip.

Cole Younger
03-27-2011, 04:54 AM
Great! I call Joe a friend and I have stood with him many times.

Everyone is entitled to there own opinion. To me Joe's actions was, and has since been, self serving. No different than all the so-called leaders.

Ayatollahgondola
03-27-2011, 11:15 AM
It does appear the nut cases are still attempting to lead this movement so nothing has really changed. This Schick guy, nightingale, Don Silva, Barbara Coe, Gheen, Turner, Gilcrest, etc...have done more harm than good. They all started out with a nobel cause and then they destroyed it with petty in fighting to down right criminal behavior........the funny thing is they are calling Davi a traitor. Like most Napoleonic / Hitler type dictators, they can't take constructive criticism. Things have to there way or the highway and the problem is, they do not have a clue.This is not a leader: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjImcBRYYYQ

"it's a order, why? because I said so" I must have failed to get the memo...no one told me they appointed this guy god...

You lead by example and this guy is setting a piss poor example. He became a puppet to a uneducated puppet master. If these idiots are the leaders of the movement, kiss the movement good by. If they cared about the movement, they would step aside and fade away. They won't though. All they care about are themselves. They are in this for personal gain. They need to have there Ego's stroked..They are nobodies trying to be something. They are a waist of time.

No way am I going to say or do anything that looks supportive of Naui. That guy is rodent droppings. Jeff may be a jackass, a fool, a loud foul-mouthed snarling careless dolt, but I still cannot fault him over Naui, especially when that little trolling chihuahua was getting in the faces of Americans getting on their feet on the streets.
I've said this before, and I'll repeat it again.: loyal Americans come first and foremost where it concerns the battle for control of immigration laws, even those loyal Americans I don't like. I don't ever discourage any loyal american from getting on the streets protesting for our cause. Even that cockroach nightingale. My revulsion for her is known far and wide, but I have never said she or schwilk should stop protesting or rallying in the immigration arena. In fact, most of my criticism leveled at her during her campaign and before it had to do with her sidetracking or trying redirect the effort towards her own self-aggrandizing schemes. But no way would I tell them they shouldn't be getting on the streets with a protest sign in our favor.
Yes, she makes me nearly vomit when I see her prancing on a stage all made up like a 12 year old who broke in to her mom's cosmetic cabinet, but she doesn't do that for our cause. Did you ever seen her dress that way for SOS functions? I may be revolted by the site of her in drag like that, and disgusted by her misuse of our effort, but I would not tell anyone she shouldn't even pick up a protest sign against illegal immigration.
I chastise her, I call her a liar, fraud, dishonest, manipulative, deceitful conniving megalomaniac, but no way would I discourage her from protesting these invading, self-interested, racist, underground, cheating, job theiving illegals and their supporters!

Rim05
03-27-2011, 11:53 AM
I think Naui makes me want to vomit more than at least a dozen others. Everytime he approached me, my answer was "Get lost". There was nothing more for him to say.
The same with Cliff May, a total roach as you call them.

Cole Younger
03-27-2011, 06:18 PM
No way am I going to say or do anything that looks supportive of Naui. That guy is rodent droppings. Jeff may be a jackass, a fool, a loud foul-mouthed snarling careless dolt, but I still cannot fault him over Naui, especially when that little trolling chihuahua was getting in the faces of Americans getting on their feet on the streets.
I've said this before, and I'll repeat it again.: loyal Americans come first and foremost where it concerns the battle for control of immigration laws, even those loyal Americans I don't like. I don't ever discourage any loyal american from getting on the streets protesting for our cause. Even that cockroach nightingale. My revulsion for her is known far and wide, but I have never said she or schwilk should stop protesting or rallying in the immigration arena. In fact, most of my criticism leveled at her during her campaign and before it had to do with her sidetracking or trying redirect the effort towards her own self-aggrandizing schemes. But no way would I tell them they shouldn't be getting on the streets with a protest sign in our favor.
Yes, she makes me nearly vomit when I see her prancing on a stage all made up like a 12 year old who broke in to her mom's cosmetic cabinet, but she doesn't do that for our cause. Did you ever seen her dress that way for SOS functions? I may be revolted by the site of her in drag like that, and disgusted by her misuse of our effort, but I would not tell anyone she shouldn't even pick up a protest sign against illegal immigration.
I chastise her, I call her a liar, fraud, dishonest, manipulative, deceitful conniving megalomaniac, but no way would I discourage her from protesting these invading, self-interested, racist, underground, cheating, job theiving illegals and their supporters!

I call her a liar, fraud, dishonest, manipulative, deceitful conniving megalomaniac
Jeez Davi, lets not beat around the bush :D

My point is, he lost his cool and that is ammunition that can easily be used against the movement as I so delicately demonstrated. I understand why he lost his cool.... he does not know how to lead nor does he understand the issue, when presented with a little pressure..Everyone know Naui is a joke..

There are allot of examples on the internet of people losing there cool or being out witted by people like Naui. You don't like Naui because he makes the movement look bad. When he does so, he wins.

Public perception is what matters if you want to win this war. The problem with most street protest are they are ineffective because they are not being used tactically. When you invite counter protests all eyes are on you...don't become media fodder or a recruitment tool for the opposition. When people get too emotional and fail to use the grey matter between your ears, they lose...The opposition knows this and will always use it to their advantage. Instead of calling Naui names, barking out pyscho orders, he should have taken the time to calmly explain the protest, the purpose, and its goals. Discuss fiscal problem and how it affects every tax payer..

This Shwick idiot gave Naui, the bullets, and the gun. He might as well have thrown up a surrender flag and left...but he obviously is to ignorant to understand that he lost.

Ayatollahgondola
03-27-2011, 08:14 PM
Jeez Davi, lets not beat around the bush :D

My point is, he lost his cool and that is ammunition that can easily be used against the movement as I so delicately demonstrated. I understand why he lost his cool.... he does not know how to lead nor does he understand the issue, when presented with a little pressure..Everyone know Naui is a joke..

There are allot of examples on the internet of people losing there cool or being out witted by people like Naui. You don't like Naui because he makes the movement look bad. When he does so, he wins.

Public perception is what matters if you want to win this war. The problem with most street protest are they are ineffective because they are not being used tactically. When you invite counter protests all eyes are on you...don't become media fodder or a recruitment tool for the opposition. When people get too emotional and fail to use the grey matter between your ears, they lose...The opposition knows this and will always use it to their advantage. Instead of calling Naui names, barking out pyscho orders, he should have taken the time to calmly explain the protest, the purpose, and its goals. Discuss fiscal problem and how it affects every tax payer..

This Shwick idiot gave Naui, the bullets, and the gun. He might as well have thrown up a surrender flag and left...but he obviously is to ignorant to understand that he lost.

Ahhh.....yes and no.

In a perfect world we'd like everyone on our side to be calm, cool, articulate, intelligent, reserved and probably even a little forgiving. But we live in the real world, and we have schwilk. It is my personal opinion that we are not going to sway the government on this immigration scheme by gentle persuasion, pleading, or even elections. They not going to move in our favor until they are faced with interruption of their daily routines, powerful backlash during 50% of their meetings, and revolt at the tax office. I don't know how old you are, but if I may summon up the memory of the 60's and 70's Vietnam war protests. They were happening on street corners, at concerts, state houses, and SCHOOLS for christs sakes. Even all that was slow to spur the change, but it was compelling. Calmly reasoning with a little chuckee-esque troll like Naui as he buzzes your head threateningly is not going to impress the government. They'd look at a video of that and say, "look! They're starting to get along!":)
in contrast, I say we need groups of bold citizens standing on those streetcorners and day labor centers who are fed up and not going to take sh!t from foreign invaders or corrupt government actors. So no; I'm not going to tell the schwilks to stay home. He's still on his feet at least, while the calm, supposedly intellectual Joe Turner is where? MIA...

Cole Younger
03-28-2011, 08:02 AM
Ahhh.....yes and no.

In a perfect world we'd like everyone on our side to be calm, cool, articulate, intelligent, reserved and probably even a little forgiving. But we live in the real world, and we have schwilk. It is my personal opinion that we are not going to sway the government on this immigration scheme by gentle persuasion, pleading, or even elections. They not going to move in our favor until they are faced with interruption of their daily routines, powerful backlash during 50% of their meetings, and revolt at the tax office. I don't know how old you are, but if I may summon up the memory of the 60's and 70's Vietnam war protests. They were happening on street corners, at concerts, state houses, and SCHOOLS for christs sakes. Even all that was slow to spur the change, but it was compelling. Calmly reasoning with a little chuckee-esque troll like Naui as he buzzes your head threateningly is not going to impress the government. They'd look at a video of that and say, "look! They're starting to get along!":)
in contrast, I say we need groups of bold citizens standing on those streetcorners and day labor centers who are fed up and not going to take sh!t from foreign invaders or corrupt government actors. So no; I'm not going to tell the schwilks to stay home. He's still on his feet at least, while the calm, supposedly intellectual Joe Turner is where? MIA...

Davi, Vietnam was different and I was around (albeit young) during that period. Vietnam affected everyone at the time on a personal level. The unloading of body bags from aircraft was on every major news network. The draft was in affect. People knew people that were killed or wounded. POW's were making news stories as well. It was the media that influenced public opinion to a point where young college kids felt the need to do something thus the peace movement and the protests were born. This is not the case with illegal immigration.

In a perfect world we'd like everyone on our side to be calm, cool, articulate, intelligent, reserved and probably even a little forgiving.

I agree this is not a perfect world but regardless of imperfections, a leader has to stay calm, intelligent, and reserved. That is leadership 101. A leader cannot panic under fire or things will quickly become unraveled.

Naui tactics are so incredibly obvious, only a fool would fall for them.

Davi, you lead by example. If a leader loses there composure or demonstrate incompetence under pressure, how do you expect your followers to act? Piss poor leadership and wrong decision making gets people hurt. Does the leadership of this movement want martyr's?

Every individual, including leadership, should be well versed and have talking points at these rallies and those talking points should be rehearsed. If you stay on message, you will be affective...but this takes real leadership something this movement is sorely missing. I for one will not follow a fool.

Ayatollahgondola
03-28-2011, 08:38 AM
OK, I see the problem that's causing our differences. I do not consider Jeff Schwilk a leader per se. I'm glad he stands up for our causes, but that doesn't mean I think he sets the standard(s) for our movement.

I don't wish to debate the comparison between the Vietnam war and immigration, as it isn't the real subject anyway

Cole Younger
03-28-2011, 09:56 AM
OK, I see the problem that's causing our differences. I do not consider Jeff Schwilk a leader per se. I'm glad he stands up for our causes, but that doesn't mean I think he sets the standard(s) for our movement.

I don't wish to debate the comparison between the Vietnam war and immigration, as it isn't the real subject anyway


I do not consider Jeff Schwilk a leader Nor should anyone.

There is a genome missing in the followers of this movement. The genome missing is the inability of the followers to question or challenge the people who are self appointed leaders....The fear of being labeled this or that or.....be kicked out of the movement entirely is so great that it has muted common sense....

The followers are so blind to this it is beyond funny as the self appointed leaders have to use divide and conquer tactics to stay in a leadership roles. It should be the responsibility of everyone in this movement, if they truly care about it, to question the leadership. This is not a military operations all though the way these idiots act, they think it is.

This is a political / public relations / awareness campaign and until that is understood, the movement will lose. That leads me to my next questions / thoughts...

Gilcrest wants to put 200 former Marines on the border? You have to ask...for what purpose? If...you plan on doing border operations (observe and report), wouldn't it be much wiser from a political / public relations standpoint to put retired people and other volunteers on the border? I have to ask, why former Marines?

I don't see the political or public relations benefit of this tactic. Marines, former or otherwise (and I am a former Marine), make terrible observe and report personal. Unless Gilcrest is expecting a fire fight, anyone should be able to volunteer for his next project. A decent hunter / outdoors man can easily move into remote areas to observe and report.

Ayatollahgondola
03-28-2011, 10:20 AM
Nor should anyone.

There is a genome missing in the followers of this movement. The genome missing is the inability of the followers to question or challenge the people who are self appointed leaders....The fear of being labeled this or that or.....be kicked out of the movement entirely is so great that it has muted common sense....

The followers are so blind to this it is beyond funny as the self appointed leaders have to use divide and conquer tactics to stay in a leadership roles. It should be the responsibility of everyone in this movement, if they truly care about it, to question the leadership. This is not a military operations all though the way these idiots act, they think it is.

This is a political / public relations / awareness campaign and until that is understood, the movement will lose. That leads me to my next questions / thoughts...

Gilcrest wants to put 200 former Marines on the border? You have to ask...for what purpose? If...you plan on doing border operations (observe and report), wouldn't it be much wiser from a political / public relations standpoint to put retired people and other volunteers on the border? I have to ask, why former Marines?

I don't see the political or public relations benefit of this tactic. Marines, former or otherwise (and I am a former Marine), make terrible observe and report personal. Unless Gilcrest is expecting a fire fight, anyone should be able to volunteer for his next project. A decent hunter / outdoors man can easily move into remote areas to observe and report.

Well, if you please; I'd rather the Gilchrist question be brought up in the radio show thread, or starting one up in a different section of the forum.

And I share most of your views on the leadership issue. But that's why those of us who are still here, are still here.:cool:

Twoller
03-28-2011, 03:05 PM
Perhaps the anti-illegal immigration movement has confused itself with the border patrol movement. They are not the same thing. Where we have seen private citizens going out to our borders, there are entirely different issues involved. Sometimes there are property issues and somebody has to be in charge of volunteers who show up for these kind of things. They are not anything like showing up for demonstrations. Different kinds of leadership are required.

A similar kind of distinction has to be made between activists in border cities and the rest of us who are only confronting illegal settlements on the interior.

Just making the distinctions between different kinds of activists might do a lot to remove a lot of abrasion between them.

For example I am a very strict illegal immigrants issue oriented voter. The way that a candidate stands on the issue of illegal immigration determines whether they get my vote or not. I do not care to fool around with other issues on the premise they are at the root of illegal immigration. As far as I am concerned the issue starts and ends with illegal immigration and the fact that illegal immigration is an immigration issue is as broad as I care to take it. I might go as far as being concerned with national security and illegal immigration is an international issue, obviously. This is where SOS attracts my attention and for no other reason.