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Ayatollahgondola
11-18-2009, 09:49 PM
The following email is currently making the rounds within immigration law enforcement / border security groups. I'm posting it here because, as you may know by now, I am a full disclosure type of person, and believe it's good policy to keep the organization's business in full view of everyone so they can make informed decisions, even if the news does not reflect well on myself or the organization. That said, here is what is making the rounds, and I'll offer a slight explanation after you read it.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jeff Schwilk <jeffschwilk@cox.net>
Date: Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 7:31 PM
Subject: Patriot Warning: New "Save Our State" Group is a Fraud
To:
PLEASE FORWARD TO YOUR CA PATRIOT LISTS
Many Patriots in California received the below deceptive email this morning from independent activist Davi Rodrigues. Here are some facts you should know before you think about joining his new group which is now falsely using the SOS name.
Save Our State, the very successful activist group founded in 2005 and owned by Joe Turner shut down last month. The group had run its course. The website, SaveOurState.org also went off line.
A former member who went rogue earlier this year and was kicked out of SOS for his destructive behavior, Davi Rodrigues in Sacramento, has stolen the name of the group and is now claiming to be in charge of SOS; he is not.
Davi has been on a personal Jihad against our popular candidate for governor, Chelene Nightingale since she announced her candidacy in July. Chelene left SOS in May to prepare for her campaign. His vicious attacks and lies against her are nothing short of treasonous. He may be working for La Raza or the GOP to smear her campaign "from the inside". He is urging his "followers" to attack and sabotage her campaign and bash her in internet forums and message boards. Warnings to him to cease and desist his vicious attacks have been ignored.
If you choose to join this group, just know that this is NOT Save Our State. It is a copy cat run by Davi and other outcasts from our mainstream movement. His group is NOT part of the www.SoCalPatriots.org - 25 united mainstream Patriot groups in SoCal.
Unfortunately, there are several leaders and personalities who have gone rogue (and not in the good Sarah Palin way) over the past few years and now spend much of their time attacking the successful mainstream groups and leaders. Whether out of jealousy or just bitterness and pettiness, they spread malicious, harmful lies and hate about good Patriots. We have created a webpage just to warn the public about these individuals. Please be very cautious when associating with these individuals who have a history of destructive behavior in our movement.
Patriot Warnings:
http://sandiegominutemen.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=127&Itemid=118
Beware of false and dangerous leaders in groups pretending to be part of our very successful secure borders movement. Most of them have their own selfish and money-making agendas.
- Jeff Schwilk, SDMM
OK then. Just so you know, this corporation was not stolen. I'm certain that if it was, I'd be under arrest by now. Neither is SOS a fraud. I worked very carefully when filing the documents, and in keeping with my full disclosure policy, posted them on www.PublicDocumentDistributors.com for all to see. These are official documents from the State of California, and I would not risk publicizing fraudulent documents, so we are not falsely using the SOS name. Neither are we engaged in a selfish money making scheme. We are still not soliciting for money.
Much of this other commentary is just so much puffery by someone trying to force their misguided opinions on the readers as gospel, so it wouldn't be time well spent hashing it out, however there might be some truth to the bitterness claim, as I am certain I have admitted to that before.
The author of this piece, Jeff Schwilk, I used to have some respect for due to his documented street activism, however I have also come to the conclusion he is an excitable boy. I am still exhibiting restraint in his case, mainly because I know he is being influenced by Nightingale, and I understand the effect she can have on people. So any response made in regards to his email will be limited and hopefully unprovoking. I must take some of the blame for the root of this though, and to show you why, I've published an email I have been sending to former SOS.org members in an effort to encourage them to return to the goup of us. After you read my solicitation, I'll explain again why:
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From: Davi Rodrigues < Davi@saveourstate.info >
To: Davi@FightBackinsac.com
Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 1:04:00 AM
Subject: Save Our State Rises again
Greetings Former SOS Members,
If you have been away from Save Our State for awhile, you may not be aware of major changes. Save Our State is now under new management and corporate direction, as well as our forums being relocated to www.SaveOurState.info, instead of .org. You can follow this link to find us:
http://www.saveourstate.info/index.php
Save Our State has been re-incorporated as a non-profit 501C3 California corporation, and we are in the process of naming new corporate officers as well as choosing new organization managers and an advisory board to guide them. Due to many complaints and disputes arising from her previous management of Save Our State, the corporation will no longer be associated with Chelene Nightingale. We look forward to welcoming former members back, and extend our apologies to those who may feel they were affected negatively or treated unfairly during the period in which she was managing director. In the future, we will adhere to higher principles and follow written policies and procedures in regards to the supporters and associates that use our services and attend our events. One such service was the use of our forum which you may re-register on by following this link:
http://www.saveourstate.info/register.php
If you have any problems registering, please feel free to reply to this email, and someone will assist you. Once registered, we hope your experience with Save Our State in its' improved form will be a positive one that will propel your activism and increase the impact you have on the issues that brought us all together originally.
Sincerely,
Davi Rodrigues
Save Our State
Ok, so one of the issues, if not the main one, that likely inspired Schwilk's email campaign was the statement regarding Nightingale. I made that in specific because many people I had contacted informally in an effort to get them to register and join us, stated that they did not feel up to being harrassed by Nightingale for their outside associations, threatened with expulsion for having an opposing opinion on the forums, or being ridiculed about the political party or candidates they chose. Others had less common complaints or fears, but in general enough people thought she would still be in a position to continue whatever it was that alienated them from the group that they weren't easily convinced by mere spoken words that this was not the case. So I put it in writing: Nightingale is out. She cannot administrate, moderate, or demand someone else do so on her behalf. She cannot ban people from this group or forum; She holds no power over anything here whatsoever. I don't think that even writing that is enough proof for some, so I can only hope that the passing of a little time along with the deeds we perform without any hint of her involvement will convince them.
Now I am aware that some people still place a higher value on Nightingales worth to the world, and would, as well as have, willingly traded handfulls of good activists up to the hundreds for just one nightingale. I have come to recognize that as ghastly arithmetic, and have voluntarily risked whatever personal capital I have left in my reputation to reverse that plan. It has always been the body of SOS members that made the events and organization great and powerful. It was when they were belittled, dismissed, and dictated to by someone who was in pursuit of personal satisfactions and goals, that they retracted that power and the organization contracted and became nearly powerless. I hope and pray for the return of all faithful activists. If our effort here comes to failure, we will have ventured and lost little, mainly because had we not, the previous management were sneakily planning to shut SOS down anyway. We don't have to waste time proving them wrong or right. We can prove them meaningless though, by just doing what we originally meant to do that brought us all together in the first place.
Eagle1
11-18-2009, 10:59 PM
Davi thank you for putting the email from Mr Schwilk up.
The documentation you present addresses the legitimacy of the
present SOS perfectly.
It would be a nice thing for people in other organizations to stop
tearing the efforts of others down.
This is all quite interesting. I have always respected Jeff for his devotion
to the movement but this does not reflect well upon him.
I hope that in time he will be able to see things more clearly.
After all, we are all striving for the same result...an end to the occupation of America by illegal aliens.
Ayatollahgondola
11-18-2009, 11:07 PM
Thanks, and you're welcome Eagle1,
But isn't it way past your bedtime young man? (toe tapping on floor)
Ayatollahgondola
11-18-2009, 11:16 PM
If you choose to join this group, just know that this is NOT Save Our State. It is a copy cat run by Davi and other outcasts from our mainstream movement. His group is NOT part of the www.SoCalPatriots.org - 25 united mainstream Patriot groups in SoCal.
Poor Jeff. He screwed up his own groups URL when he wrote the email. Here ya go Jeff: http://www.socalpatriots.com/ :) It's an easy mistake to make when you're caught up in the moment. I'm sure there's some good people doing good things for the movement within there, so we want to give them the exposure.
Jeanfromfillmore
11-18-2009, 11:50 PM
So by not sticking to what you're told, be it right or wrong, that's considered going rogue I guess. I am just amazed to the lengths that some will go to promote ONE person. Think about it, these guys, Jeff, Gheen, Chelene and their associates will just keep badmouthing others in the movement over one person. Do you see any of the openborders crowd doing this? No they are more concerned with getting their agenda pushed forward. And to say that we are on a "money making agenda" I can only assume that they are concerned that we might cut into their donations. What a line of crap.
What is really comical is the fact that Chelene doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting anywhere. But these guys would rather work at trying create problems for us for such a stupid campaign. Where are their heads? They are acting like high school kids voting for the prom queen.
These people can hardly get along with each other most of the time, yet they imply that everyone else is a problem.
I spent many hours with Chelene, MANY. And I was with the old SOS shortly after Chelene came on the scene and was there at the end. What Jeff is stating is just a bunch of bs. Chelene lied to me over stuff that where there was no reason to lie. It was said just to make her look better than what was the real truth. Chelenes not the worst of people, but she's certainly not the best. It's all a show with her and these guys are falling for it. Wouldn't be the first time people have gotten fooled. But to go to the lengths that they are going, to actually try to do damage to the cause is unforgivable. What makes theses people tic?
The old org hadn't "run its coarse" it was gutted by Chelene. I was there and I saw it. I started to notice if well over a year ago and started mentioning it. Some of Chelenes lapdogs got on me about say anything about it or bringing it to the members attention. That was right about the time she got the 'coalition' together. That move was to hide the fact that the membership had stopped supporting her and no SOS members were showing up to any of the events. Who was showing up was CCIR and the other orgs, but not SOS members.
Commander Bunny
11-19-2009, 01:32 AM
Driving around Sacramento will a mobile billbord, supporting SOS sure seems "Destructive" to Me.
And probably pretty "Destructive to Your wallet as well.
There's VERY few SOS'ers in Northern Ca., and I think that it's good to know that I'm not alone.
CB.
Rim05
11-19-2009, 06:13 AM
All this fighting between Anti Illegal Immigration is about the worst thing I can think of. I remember in 2005, 2006 and at least the first part of 2007, when EVERYONE worked as one org. Everyone was welcome and most worked well together.
Thanks, Davi, for the information. I do hope people will think of our country and not some who have been working for a long time to destroy our movement.
Patriotic Army Mom
11-19-2009, 07:13 AM
Flush the egos and let us unite for the fight. I've been touched by so many of you. God Bless America!
PochoPatriot
11-19-2009, 07:40 AM
Thanks for posting this AG. It shows just how deep the insecurity and childishness goes in some aspects of this movement.
As far as Schwilk-ingale goes, it was not people "going rogue" that brought about the demise of the old SoS, but Nightingale's hubris. So this SOS is not part of the officially sanctioned cabal. Big deal. Look who is here...people that have actually organized and been out on the street. Many of the people here were at Nightingale's "leadership" meeting a couple of years ago. Sadly, Schwilk-ingale does not see this...most likely by choice. That's fine. The two things that will shut the mouths of these people are action and results.
Rim05
11-19-2009, 07:45 AM
The two things that will shut the mouths of these people are action and results
Right on both counts Pocho. Now that so many are 'free' maybe the protests will grow in size.
Eagle1
11-19-2009, 09:55 AM
Well let them complain if they want to.
They will really have something to complain of when we hold our first
official SOS rally with our banner and all.
I've discussed this with Jean as I tried to get her drunk but she was too smart and got away.
We must discuss a rally amongst ourselves and away from prying eyes.
I suggest we take the email as an act of recognition.
There are a lot of people that have been banned from participation
in rallies by the SoCal coalition.
Many of them are really good patriotic Americans that have done a great deal
in the movement and who have put themselves in harms way.
Some of my favorites are Debbs and Craig Britt, Raymond Herrera and of course the ever wonderful Robin.
Some may object to the affiliations these people might have but to each his own.
I think these folks are great.
You see it's all about the cause not anyones chosen group. It's about America and our American way of life.
Everything else is nothing else.:):):)
PochoPatriot
11-19-2009, 11:26 AM
The issue is clear. Schwilk-ingale think that they have a monopoly on this movement. They are sadly mistaken. The time has come, and the time is now. We are facing another amnesty. The situation is dire since we have a Demon-crap controlled Congress and White House. There is no one like Tom Tancredo out to take the lead, so it means that we have to do whatever we can to stop Amnesty III. I think that we should be aware of what Schwilk-ingale are up to, but we should not fixate on it. We have a country to save, not email lists. I say, "Let's roll!"
Jeanfromfillmore
11-19-2009, 02:04 PM
I'm glad someone brought up Robin and Raymond. These two really got a bad deal from Chelene, Jeff and William all because of a fight these three had with Gilchrist. That was not my fight and I resent the three of them expecting me or anyone else to gang up on them because Chelene and the rest of that gang couldn't keep their opinions to themselves. Gilchrist or anyone associated with him didn't do anything to me so why should I campaign against him? It was just like in high school. If you didn't like someone you wanted everyone else to not like them. Well we're not in high school so let's stop the bashing on all sides. I don't want to bother with it, it's not productive. Fighting Chelene is not my fight. My fight is with La Raza and those that want another amnesty. That's it! Chelene is gone and let's move on!
Cruisingfool
11-19-2009, 03:07 PM
As always AG, keep up the damn good work!!
Eagle1
11-19-2009, 03:56 PM
I'm glad someone brought up Robin and Raymond. These two really got a bad deal from Chelene, Jeff and William all because of a fight these three had with Gilchrist. That was not my fight and I resent the three of them expecting me or anyone else to gang up on them because Chelene and the rest of that gang couldn't keep their opinions to themselves. Gilchrist or anyone associated with him didn't do anything to me so why should I campaign against him? It was just like in high school. If you didn't like someone you wanted everyone else to not like them. Well we're not in high school so let's stop the bashing on all sides. I don't want to bother with it, it's not productive. Fighting Chelene is not my fight. My fight is with La Raza and those that want another amnesty. That's it! Chelene is gone and let's move on!
Jean you nailed it! Lets roll on the issue that brought us all together.:)
DerailAmnesty.com
11-19-2009, 05:18 PM
Jeff Schwilk sending out an e-mail with all sorts of excited proclamations and assertions.
I fail to see the novelty or importance of this event. He does the same thing roughly 8 times a day.
Eagle1
11-19-2009, 05:31 PM
Jeff Schwilk sending out an e-mail with all sorts of excited proclamations and assertions.
I fail to see the novelty or importance of this event. He does the same thing roughly 8 times a day.
Oh but you do have a sense of humor...I have noticed that!:D:D:D
DerailAmnesty.com
11-19-2009, 05:45 PM
Oh but you do have a sense of humor...I have noticed that!:D:D:D
I hate to ruin it for you, but I wasn't really joking. Jeff Schwilk has always been pleasant and respectful to me; even when I'm confident Chelene Nightingale was calling me every name in the book, but let's face it, he's a blowhard. A number of his written communications are these wildly exclamatory offerings, not dissimilar to the e-mail he sent about us.
Many of his e-mails during the past year have been in support of this Southern California Coalition that he repeatedly states is composed of mainstream illegal immigration opponents. He's issued mantra-like proclamations that our coalition is strong! and what not. However, I really never got the impression that the "coalition" was even half as important to anyone else, as it was to Chelene and Jeff.
Actually, his e-mail takes one more thing off my To Do list. I was going to contact him in a week or two and ask him to remove Save Our State from his list of coalition participants. I really didn't want us affiliated with an entity that is designed to ostracize a lot of people who have contributed a good deal.
tim55
11-19-2009, 05:56 PM
Other than some entertaining reading, I can't for the life of me understand how some folks think that mudslinging aids their credibility in anyway. Why bother slinging at folks who are trying to attain the same goal? Makes no sense to me, and takes away from an entire movement. This crap just contributes ammunition to those who want to throw a crackpot label on the whole movement.
Jeanfromfillmore
11-19-2009, 05:56 PM
This are two emails I sent to William Gheen with his two response:
Hello William,
This is Jeanfromfillmore. You may not remember me but we spent some time together the last time you were here in California. I was one of those that partyed with you and the group at your suite in Santa Monica till three in the morning. By the way it was a lot of fun and I enjoyed everyone's sense of humor so much. I had a great time. You were quite hammered, but unlike me didn't have to drive home another 60 miles.
The reason I'm sending you this email is that I am part of the new Save Our State.info. I hold no grudges against you, and actually have supported your organization as recently as April 15. At the end of the meeting in Orange County I asked for and you gave me the ALIPAC posters that you had printed up for thatt visit. So during the first TEA PARTIES on Apr 15 I took those posters to three rallies, Thousand Oaks, Simi Valley and Van Nuys where your organization did get media coverage due to my representing you. I support all organizations that are working toward ending this invasion and respect all those whose real goal is toward that end.
What I saw in the years I was a member under both Joe Turner and Chelene Nightengale was an orgainzation that was there at the right time and fit a need that we in the Los Angeles area were in desparate need of. This is the reason SOS grew in those first few years. But, sadly in the last few, egos and certain personal charateristics began to emerge. We had some of our BEST activists banned and then labled as 'goons'. This was not the work of a good leader, but the battle of egos and struggle for power. I never had a problem with Chelene personally, and don't consider her or anyone against the La Raza/Open Borders crowd an enemy. I have worked with many people inside and outside the anti-illegal organizations and lobbied with Chelene in the Rayburn Building while we were both in DC together. I spoke to you while we were there a few years back, but I don't draw much attention to myself and you probably wouldn't remember me.
I mention that because this isn't about me, and it isn't about you, Chelene, Barbara Coe, Jeff, or Gilchrist. It's about making progress and putting up a decent resistance. We don't have the numbers that the open borders orgs have and that includes your org. That is the truth whether we want to admit it or not. So many of our citizens are so complacent that they expect others to carry the message and will only go so far when it comes to real activism. That is a fact and what we are battleing an enemy with a hughly funded propaganda campaign to silence us.
As far as the old Save Our State, the last final blow was Chelene bringing the Barbara Coe vs. Gilchrist fight to the organization. It consumed the organization and burned out what was left of our members especially after the purge by Chelene and others in management. I had taken over as director after Chelenes departure for a few months but the division that was created by Chelene and her few followers were not concerned with the organizations survival and it fell apart. Chelene had lost many member support and for at least a year and a half they were not showing up or following her as a leader. This may have been, and I beleive it was because of the Gilchrist issue. We lost Watchdog (Brook), and so many others, we were weakend beyond repair. And then it was found out that we members had been deceived when we were told we were a legitimate non-profit, which we weren't because Joe never completed the paperwork for the state. The fingers in management started pointing at each other and the whole thing became very ugly.
There are still some of us who are in this movement, not for political or monitary gain, but to protect what we see as being taken from us and given away to others for their own gain. You may regard this message as something humorous, or nonimportant, but I felt compelled to write and let you know how thing went down in the last few years at SOS from the perspective of someone who was just as active as Chelene and those you know about because of their high profile. We didn't make our names known, we're those minions that the leaders feel we will follow them blindly and not notice what is going on. Well we did notice.
You're taking sides in this issue does not serve anyone well except those open borders advocates that we should really be focusing on resisting. We all have something to bring to the table and deserve the respect shown to those in the limelight like yourself.
Some of us attended the Anti-Illegal Immigration rallies across California. I personally, along with 5 other SOS members attended the rally in Pasadena. I did not display the posters you gave me because it is hard to promote someone who doesn't support me in my endevers. I won't ever discredit you or your organization, but I could ask that you do the same. I am now in a management position in the new SOS also, and so your anger toward Davi or any others is also landing on me. No one or organization, including you and your orgization, can take any more division and retain the force needed to battle this upcoming amnesty push in just a few weeks. I do place a great deal of the problems on the doorstep of Gilchrist, but you and Chelene let him in and therefor hold some of the blame. Although you may not see us as a voice with any power, don't underestimate us. We're making strides and headway. We're working to bring all the So Calif activists under one umbrella of force and hold no grudges against anyone. I will tell you, I'm keeping Gilchirst at arms length and won't let him blindsight me. But I will say, you are not the enemy, so please don't conduct yourself as though we are.
Thank you
Jean
Jean,
Davi is in cahoots with Jim Gilchrist. We want nothing to do with
anyone that has anything to do with Jim Gilchrist. Me and Chelene did
not "let Jim Gilchrist in" and we have both worked together to try to
stop Gilchrist from causing even more harm to our movement than he has.
You are lucky we have done that because his recent escapades with Shawna
Forde almost brought down the entire movement.
As far as I am concerned right now, Save Our State is no longer a
functioning group. If you folks decide to start a new group and can
show some accomplishments, then go for it.
Personally, I think you folks should come up with a new name unless Joe
Turner personally endorses your efforts. Love him or hate him, Joe
Turner as Save Our State and the biggest problem for Chelene was that
she took on the effort of carrying the water for Joe who acted like an
absentee landlord around the organization in the final years.
I will always remember, revere, and cherish the positive and effective
campaigns that I worked closely with Joe Turner, Chelene Nightingale,
and other great members of Save Our State from the old schoolers back in
2004-2006, to the new bloods I worked with in AZ and CA in recent years.
Davie has been banned from ALIPAC for being a jerk towards me, ALIPAC,
and violating our rules.
I consider Joe Turner and Chelene Nightingale to be my friends and I
will adamantly oppose anyone that attacks or bashes them or that works
with Jim Gilchrist.
I will not be working with Barb Coe anymore because she back stabbed me
when I criticized her buddy and Jim Gilchrist / Shawna Forde ally Glenn
Spencer.
If you want to form a new group that we would consider working with, it
will need to be without Davi. If you plan to keep him in the mix, then
you folks have the best of luck with your endeavors.
I have not said or done anything negative about you and I will keep that
posture unless I get anymore trouble out Davi.
William
- Show quoted text -
Hello William,
You're wrong about Davi being in cahoots with Gilchrist. You couldn't be anything farther from the truth. You were sold a pig in a poke. Chelene threw that into the mix because she wanted you as angry with him as she was. And I might add that her anger was for little cause. You took her on her word and there was a whole lot more to it than what she told you. There are ALLOT of people angry with Chelene, even angrier than the anger between Chelene and Davi. I've tried to resolve some of it but some people just hate her and refuse to forgive her. You see you didn't spend as much time around her and weren't up front and center to the scenes and explosions Chelene is capable of along with the exploitation. It wasn't until recently that I found out how much she had lied to me, and I spent hours and hours with her over these past four years. Some of the lies were for no good apparent reason, just to project this image she wanted others to believe of her. Yes, I was around most of those years, almost from the beginning, and just shortly after Chelene came on the scene.
Remember you're on the other side of the country and there's something to be said about keeping your friends close and your enemies closer. Don't burn bridges especially when you don't know who really built them.
As I wrote I have no animosity toward Chelene of Joe, and you for that regard. I am not writing you for your permission or blessing. I am writing to you out of respect. I will always give someone the respect they deserve as long as they show a modicum of respect for their position. And as a person representing this movement I would hope you can keep a respectable discourse when discussing other activists and organizations.
As far as the Shana Ford thing, she was not ever part of SOS, and we are not part of the Minuteman organizations. So I won't give you credit for 'saving' us. And if you had been around our old SOS organization the last year and a half you would have known that Chelene had basically gutted it and there wasn't much left. I had started to realize over a year ago that Chelene was driving members way, but didn't vocalize it until about January of this year. It started just about the time she started the 'coalition'. She pursued that because it hid the fact that she had lost most of SOS's membership, either by banning some of our most active members who took a leadership role, or the members just got into an argument with her and left.
We members invested a great deal of our time and money to build a viable resistance here in Califonia and many felt very betrayed by the actions and direction the management, which was under Chelenes direction, and that also included Davi. But to her credit, she did devote a great deal of time to the organization and I agree with you that Joe did abandon it leaving in the hand of someone who may have originally had good intentions, but whose directions changed toward her own pursuits. I don't hold anything against her for pursuing her own goals, but I also can't condone some of the really bad things she did to some people in this movement. It was down right deceitful and maybe they can get their money back in court. Believe me, Chelene wouldn't win and she would have no defence in justifying what she did, it's that black and white. But that's between the two of them. It just doesn't leave her with as high of regard as I once had for her.
I admire someone who is loyal to a friend, and understand your standing by her, but there are always two sides to a story and to keep her in such high standing in your eyes it's better that you not know all the specifics.
This will be the last correspondence from me. As I wrote, I wasn't writing to get your approval, just to let you know that not all of those you consider 'the other side' are against you. I, along with most others hope that you succeed and that we do also. But what I do want you to realize is that this movement is not just you, me, Davi, Chelene, Gilchrist, Barbara, Jeff, Joe or Glenn. It is all those others who are willing to donate and get their butts in the street or in harms way as we did more than once in Maywood, Hollywood and Los Angeles. We've been attacked and had our property destroyed, yet we didn't turn our backs. Not until Chelene and those who were doing her bidding made the members feel deceived at that point the members stop coming or working together. Trust is a very fragile thing, and doesn't mend easily. This is the truth, whether you want to believe it or not doesn't matter. You will still have what you consider your friend, Joe and Chelene, and that's ok because we can always use a few more friends. I don't hold it against you that you side with them, because it's not about being in a clique and being the most popular. Maybe I feel that way because I'm not running for office. Keeps me a bit more honest.
Good luck to you William, we are on the same side.
Jean
Kelly,
I know Davi was in cahoots with Jim Gilchrist from my own conversations
and emails directly with Davi. Nobody else informed me, Davi admitted
his support for Jim Gilchrist when Davi worked hard to defend Jim
Gilchrist's continued support of Shawna Forde prior to the murders but
after enough evidence emerged for any sane person to understand she was
dangerous.
This morning, I have just read the e-mail that Davi has sent out to
prior members of Save Our State. In this e-mail he attacks Chelene
Nightingale.
It is clear to all that Davi has a personal vendetta against Chelene.
Otherwise, there was absolutely no reason he should have attacked her
specifically and by name in that e-mail.
Consider this your official notice. All participants in this attempt to
resurect SOS under the leadership of Davi Rodriguez had better stay the
hell away from me and ALIPAC or we will take action.
Do not attempt to post your information or releases on our boards. Do
not post or distribute our releases or alerts.
Anymore attacks from this new SOS, Davi, or anyone in his camp against
me, Chelene, or any of our allies in the National Illegal Immigration
Boycott Coalition will lead to a full organizational response from ALIPAC.
William Gheen
President, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC
www.alipac.us
Cc: Chelene Nightingale and Jeff Schwilk
Ayatollahgondola
11-19-2009, 05:58 PM
Actually, his e-mail takes one more thing off my To Do list. I was going to contact him in a week or two and ask him to remove Save Our State from his list of coalition participants. I really didn't want us affiliated with an entity that is designed to ostracize a lot of people who have contributed a good deal.
He'll probably be doing that on his own now;)
Eagle1
11-19-2009, 06:26 PM
I hate to ruin it for you, but I wasn't really joking. Jeff Schwilk has always been pleasant and respectful to me; even when I'm confident Chelene Nightingale was calling me every name in the book, but let's face it, he's a blowhard. A number of his written communications are these wildly exclamatory offerings, not dissimilar to the e-mail he sent about us.
Many of his e-mails during the past year have been in support of this Southern California Coalition that he repeatedly states is composed of mainstream illegal immigration opponents. He's issued mantra-like proclamations that our coalition is strong! and what not. However, I really never got the impression that the "coalition" was even half as important to anyone else, as it was to Chelene and Jeff.
Actually, his e-mail takes one more thing off my To Do list. I was going to contact him in a week or two and ask him to remove Save Our State from his list of coalition participants. I really didn't want us affiliated with an entity that is designed to ostracize a lot of people who have contributed a good deal.
I think it wise to follow up and make sure that SOS has indeed been removed from the So Cal Patriot Coalition.
Also I don't think you really understood my meaning...you're funny...really funny even if you don't intend to be and that is a good thing.
Eagle1
11-19-2009, 06:43 PM
"Consider this your official notice. All participants in this attempt to resurect SOS under the leadership of Davi Rodriguez had better stay the
hell away from me and ALIPAC or we will take action.
Do not attempt to post your information or releases on our boards. Do
not post or distribute our releases or alerts.
Anymore attacks from this new SOS, Davi, or anyone in his camp against
me, Chelene, or any of our allies in the National Illegal Immigration
Boycott Coalition will lead to a full organizational response from ALIPAC."
Obviously the gentleman from the South has taken a strong position against
SOS and intends to keep it. So be it!
Ayatollahgondola
11-19-2009, 07:01 PM
[COLOR="DarkRed"]"Consider this your official notice. All participants in this attempt to resurect SOS under the leadership of Davi Rodriguez had better stay the
hell away from me and ALIPAC or we will take action.![/SIZE]
Jeez.....He's promoted me to leadership. And without a party, name tag, or raise in pay.
I swear! after reading the growlings of Gheen, Schwilk, and Nightingale, I often wonder if the three of them aren't brushing their teeth with gunpowder
Eagle1
11-19-2009, 07:23 PM
Jeez.....He's promoted me to leadership. And without a party, name tag, or raise in pay.
I swear! after reading the growlings of Gheen, Schwilk, and Nightingale, I often wonder if the three of them aren't brushing their teeth with gunpowder
It is obvious that you are on someone's mind.
DerailAmnesty.com
11-19-2009, 10:25 PM
Jean, I really have to wonder about you. What on Earth were you thinking? Why would you go to the trouble of trying to convince or persuade William Gheen about our pious motives or Davi's purity ... or much of anything for that matter? What is the purpose of entangling us in the brain dead slander-fest featuring Jim Gilchrist, Shawna Forde, Chelene Nightingale, Jeff Schwilk and (less frequently, but no less passionately) Tony Genovese, Glen Spencer and ALIPAC?
Let's say you had been successful. So what? What would have been accomplished? How does much of what ALIPAC does impact protests or anything else we decide to stage? And, of course, the idea that rational points or injections of facts were going to win the day in this bitter ego festival that has been befouling border security efforts for over a year ...
Sweet Jesus, Jean. Use the brain God gave you. That's exactly what we want to do, right? Let's pull a Nightingale. Let's just inject the entire organization into this trailer-park caliber turf war with no benefit accruing to any party.
That was just an exercise in getting nothing accomplished that could only have downside.
Jeanfromfillmore
11-19-2009, 10:43 PM
Jean, I really have to wonder about you. What on Earth were you thinking? Why would you go to the trouble of trying to convince or persuade William Gheen about our pious motives or Davi's purity ... or much of anything for that matter? What is the purpose of entangling us in the brain dead slander-fest featuring Jim Gilchrist, Shawna Forde, Chelene Nightingale, Jeff Schwilk and (less frequently, but no less passionately) Tony Genovese, Glen Spencer and ALIPAC?
Let's say you had been successful. So what? What would have been accomplished? How does much of what ALIPAC does impact protests or anything else we decide to stage? And, of course, the idea that rational points or injections of facts were going to win the day in this bitter ego festival that has been befouling border security efforts for over a year ...
Sweet Jesus, Jean. Use the brain God gave you. That's exactly what we want to do, right? Let's pull a Nightingale. Let's just inject the entire organization into this trailer-park caliber turf war with no benefit accruing to any party.
That was just an exercise in getting nothing accomplished that could only have downside.
Sam, I never had a problem with any of those people. And to this day I still really don't. If they are not happy with us, well so what. But I don't get my information through the feelings of others. I go to the source. I am not framing my actions of what you perceive as 'stupid' and will not treat others a certain way because you feel that is how I should treat them. William never did anything to me, neither have any of these people in this "trailer-park caliber turf war" as you put it. I will conduct myself with the respect I expect other which includes you to give me. Remember you're not my boss, or in any other capacity that can dictate what or who I should communicate with.
Ayatollahgondola
11-20-2009, 07:23 AM
One thing that we should remember is not to fall into the same hole that injured SOS's ability to attract and keep good activists to attend events and associate with. We will not banish people for their other associations, nor should we speak ill of them because they have alliances and relationships with others. Everyone is welcome here within the corporate guidelines and agenda, and is willing to follow the written forum rules. This would include Schwilk, Gheen, Mike Williams, and even, well.....
My email had one narrowly tapered purpose that was aimed at re-assuring victims of the earlier regime at SOS that they were not going to face the same fate at the hands of the same executioner if they attempted to place faith in the name of this organization again. It was solely the actions of one individual I was refuting and repudiating, although there were a few of us that participated at that persons behest too. It is not about Nightingales candidacy, her friends, or her other associations. Just what she did here that drove people away from SOS. I guess it was to be expected that some would circle their wagons around her for thier own reasons. I don't see any good purpose in provoking them and thereby creating animosity within our own organization due to allegiances others have there in tandem.
Gheen pretty much already told me I wasn't welcome within his ranks because I objected to his assault on Glenn Spencer a few months ago. No single person has to suffer over my individual actions unless he makes that so. If you want to continue with ALIPAC and Gheen, you certainly have my blessing, for whatever that's worth anyway, and no harm in any sense of the word will come from me or this corporation over your other associations. Same applies to SDMM, SOCALPatriots, CCIR, MMP, or any other groups or organizations that share common goals.
All that said, This corporation and this organization is allowed to keep its' own house in order. Along with keeping spam advertisers, hitlerian fanatics, and pornographic posters from limiting our audience goes our right to advertise to the general public that we have changed our management and why. Other people can certainly voice an opinion on that issue, but I don't see any benefit to them engaging in an "us vs them" program over our internal management.
Papoose
11-20-2009, 10:13 AM
Jean, I certainly could not have said what you said any better and I concur with all that you've written. You tried and now you have a clear conscience. That's all you can do. Thanks.
"Consider this your official notice. All participants in this attempt to resurect SOS under the leadership of Davi Rodriguez had better stay the
hell away from me and ALIPAC or we will take action.
Do not attempt to post your information or releases on our boards. Do
not post or distribute our releases or alerts.
Anymore attacks from this new SOS, Davi, or anyone in his camp against
me, Chelene, or any of our allies in the National Illegal Immigration
Boycott Coalition will lead to a full organizational response from ALIPAC."
Obviously the gentleman from the South has taken a strong position against
SOS and intends to keep it. So be it!
This is certainly FOUL behavior on their end. What can we do except to continue our fight. It's clear that this group, more than any other, stands for TRUE FREEDOM.
Papoose
11-20-2009, 10:43 AM
Additionally, I suppose that a key question for anyone visiting and reading these post would be to ask themselves SERIOUSLY: Is EVERYONE here lying???
PochoPatriot
11-20-2009, 10:53 AM
Additionally, I suppose that a key question for anyone visiting and reading these post would be to ask themselves SERIOUSLY: Is EVERYONE here lying???
I used to think that everyone else was lying when I was under the spell of the Nightingale.
Darsacramento
11-22-2009, 06:08 AM
Gheen well hes , well I guess I can't say it here what I really think of him The idiot would not have even known about the Shawna Forde/Gilchrist connection, nor would have Chelene if I hadn't pointed it out to them and it took me months to convince them of it along with Mikes involvement with Shawna(website and sleeping with her) and this was way before she killed someone. He acts likes hes God and is just worried about a "new group" coming along to take his money.(Its his fundraising time again).The man gets on my nerves. Anyway who cares what he thinks. We are the new and definately improved Save our State
DerailAmnesty.com
11-22-2009, 10:01 AM
Sam, I never had a problem with any of those people. And to this day I still really don't. If they are not happy with us, well so what. But I don't get my information through the feelings of others. I go to the source. I am not framing my actions of what you perceive as 'stupid' and will not treat others a certain way because you feel that is how I should treat them. William never did anything to me, neither have any of these people in this "trailer-park caliber turf war" as you put it. I will conduct myself with the respect I expect other which includes you to give me. Remember you're not my boss, or in any other capacity that can dictate what or who I should communicate with.
You miss the entire point(s).
1. There is little or nothing to be gained by settling this. What William Gheen or Jeff Schwilk loudly proclaim has practically no impact on anything we do.
2. If you've followed the path of this moronic squabble (Gheen/Nightingale, et al. v. Gilchrist/Spencer) you realize that reasoned points will never change anyone's mind.
3. By posting your writings on this website, and the accompanying responses, you are successfully A) Giving importance and credibility to the debate, and B) dragging this fledgling organization directly into the middle of the conflict in the same fashion as did Chelene Nightingale.
Jean, I like you, I think you're far from stupid or a drama queen, but that rates up there with some of the most boneheaded moves I have seen in the past few years. I cannot imagine what possessed you to pursue this stupid argument, and in such a public fashion that included in Save Our State. There was nothing to be accomplished by what you attempted, and could more likely result in the same divisions among our membership that tore apart some of the organization we are trying to rebuild.
Dumb, dumb, dumb. I was really astounded by what you posted.
Ayatollahgondola
11-22-2009, 10:18 AM
I don't agree DA,
SOS has made it clear we are allowing the discussions of intergroup issues, and I think she was making her views known among them. It takes a bit of courage to go against the grain like that, and personally I don't understand your condemnation. Certainly don't support it. But it is your opinion, so I guess we'll see how others feel too.
Rim05
11-22-2009, 11:09 AM
I am sick of everyone bagging on each other. We should have but one purpose. We, here at SOS.info better stick together or we will not climb out of the crib. The old forces are trying to kill us before we ever get started. They are reading and emailing everything we post here. They are worse than LaRaza and the Invaders. I have wondered what happened to WG but I will not worry about him. I will say another thing, I see people say things about Joe Turner and it really bothers me because I still like Joe a lot. He did give me a place to protest until the leader ship got hot britches. He must have had his reasons for what ever he did just as I do now.
I really hope all this can stop.
Ayatollahgondola
11-22-2009, 11:43 AM
I'm a little unclear on what is exactly your issue with Jean, DA.
Are you condeming her for responding to Gheen, condeming her for defending SOS, or for relaying that to our readers?
DerailAmnesty.com
11-22-2009, 02:37 PM
I'm a little unclear on what is exactly your issue with Jean, DA.
Are you condeming her for responding to Gheen, condeming her for defending SOS, or for relaying that to our readers?
I don't see how because I spelled it out pretty clearly in my last post. Reread what I wrote. Therein lies what I think are the (obvious) reasons publicly carrying on this "debate" in our forum is more than a foolish exercise.
Let me make this simpler: As soon as you can point out to me the benefit that would have accrued to us had Jean been entirely successful, you will have laid the first section of a reasonable refutation of what I stated. Let's just suppose that Jean's reasoned arguments had ever had a snowball's chance in Hell of succeeding, rather than generating the more-than-predictable blustery outburst about Gilchrist, organizational responses, choosing sides and other Nightingale-esque nonsense. You tell me what that would have been our gain.
Ayatollahgondola
11-22-2009, 03:09 PM
I don't see how because I spelled it out pretty clearly in my last post. Reread what I wrote. Therein lies what I think are the (obvious) reasons publicly carrying on this "debate" in our forum is more than a foolish exercise.
Let me make this simpler: As soon as you can point out to me the benefit that would have accrued to us had Jean been entirely successful, you will have laid the first section of a reasonable refutation of what I stated. Let's just suppose that Jean's reasoned arguments had ever had a snowball's chance in Hell of succeeding, rather than generating the more-than-predictable blustery outburst about Gilchrist, organizational responses, choosing sides and other Nightingale-esque nonsense. You tell me what that would have been our gain.
OK, I'll start by reminding you of what came of me responding to Nightingales email campaign to discredit me after she evicted me from SOS months ago. Some truths were allowed to escape from the claws of those that have worked fervently to keep them under their control. In addition, people reading that reached out to me with their own stories, and it snowballed. I might also remind you that it was your response to that which taught me that you weren't driven from the movement by acts just like those. I had no idea you were still alive and active until then. That goes the same for numerous others that responded. And many of them are here now.
Jeanfromfillmore
11-22-2009, 03:12 PM
Well I'm amazed that you are so astounded. I'm astounded that you could be so disrespectful. What did you have to gain by being so? And your opinion is only 'your opinion'. I will not come on this board and do a tit for tat with you. I see that as serving no purpose. We both have a history that follows us, that's enough said. What I will say is William Gheen, Barbara Coe, Jim Gilchrist, Jeff Shwilk, and Glenn Spencer have never done anything to me and I don't consider them the enemy. I don't consider Chelene, Joe or Mike the enemy either, I just lost a great deal of respect for them for how little they thought of the members and our investment in the old organization, but I will not take that disappointment to the level where I want to destroy or weaken them.
This 'it's us or them' needs to stop. And whether it's someone from either side that declares that it should stop, to me is not important. I'm not going to waste my energy and time continuing to criticize others in this movement, even you. There is nothing to be gained by it. But unlike you and your opinion, I do feel that extending an olive branch may have its rewards. What was there to gain by not doing it? Keeping the status quo?
DerailAmnesty.com
11-23-2009, 05:42 AM
Disrespectul? I don't recall being the party who unilaterally decided to inject our organization in a toxic squabble we largely left behind when we discarded Chelene Nightingale, Janet Dennis, Mike Williams, et al with the dead husk of the former corporate entity.
You keep repeating, Jean, that you have never had problems with A, B, C, D etc. and that you don't consider them enemies. So what? Who cares? Of what relevance is it? You're Switzerland, I believe you. Why do you deem this so important and keep waving it around as some justification?
Let's examine what you see fit to accomplish on our behalves.
1. This 'it's us or them' needs to stop.
OK, has it been stopped? Did Gheen react in the way you were hoping? What did you deem to be the chances that he would when you unilaterally undertook this little heart-to-heart?
2. I do feel that extending an olive branch may have its rewards.
Great, what were they going to be? Did you realize those rewards? What did you figure the odds were you'd be coming back with these tucked under your arm when you saw fit to speak for Save Our State?
Ayatollahgondola
11-23-2009, 06:39 AM
Disrespectul?
2. I do feel that extending an olive branch may have its rewards.
Great, what were they going to be? Did you realize those rewards? What did you figure the odds were you'd be coming back with these tucked under your arm when you saw fit to speak for Save Our State?
Maybe they won't be realized immediately. Neither has it started a war, as you thought in an immediate sense
The Waco Kid
11-23-2009, 07:01 PM
I used to think that everyone else was lying when I was under the spell of the Nightingale.
Gees!!!! This little revelation is certainly great to hear! WTF! How pathetic.
"Under the spell"? What the hell does that mean? You can't think for yourself? You have no idea how incredibly stupid not to mention unsettling your comment is. Are you a sheep or a human?
This is why I have chosen to no longer participate with any group.
As I look at all of you pontificating and angonizing over this tripe I find it to be ridiculous and I wonder why I ever wasted my time with any of this nonsense.
Posting on this board because you got your feelings hurt (or for whatever) ain't doing squat to change anything with amnesty or the illegal invasion. It looks like most of you (Jean) don't do much else and are using this as a substitute for your lack of a life. While I have sympathy for your plight I suggest you stop cyber jerking and get involved at the local, city and state level to address the issue. Stop whining non-stop on a computer forum....
God help us all if cyber-whiners are all we have left to stop the illegal invasion.
:cool:
Jeanfromfillmore
11-23-2009, 07:16 PM
Gees!!!! This little revelation is certainly great to hear! WTF! How pathetic.
"Under the spell"? What the hell does that mean? You can't think for yourself? You have no idea how incredibly stupid not to mention unsettling your comment is. Are you a sheep or a human?
This is why I have chosen to no longer participate with any group.
As I look at all of you pontificating and angonizing over this tripe I find it to be ridiculous and I wonder why I ever wasted my time with any of this nonsense.
Posting on this board because you got your feelings hurt (or for whatever) ain't doing squat to change anything with amnesty or the illegal invasion. It looks like most of you (Jean) don't do much else and are using this as a substitute for your lack of a life. While I have sympathy for your plight I suggest you stop cyber jerking and get involved at the local, city and state level to address the issue. Stop whining non-stop on a computer forum....
God help us all if cyber-whiners are all we have left to stop the illegal invasion.
:cool:Well considering that was your second post and all you could do was criticize, you're not bringing much to the table. Why didn't you chime in on any of the subjects being discussed? Lurking and then popping in to take stabs at members isn't very respectful, and could be considered disruptive. I'm logged in here for a reason, as others are, and we aren't being paid to do it. Take an aspirin and chill.
Ayatollahgondola
11-23-2009, 07:32 PM
This is why I have chosen to no longer participate with any group.:cool:
Could also be that you might be pretty hard to get along with.
PochoPatriot
11-23-2009, 08:50 PM
Gees!!!! This little revelation is certainly great to hear! WTF! How pathetic.
"Under the spell"? What the hell does that mean? You can't think for yourself? You have no idea how incredibly stupid not to mention unsettling your comment is. Are you a sheep or a human?
This is why I have chosen to no longer participate with any group.
As I look at all of you pontificating and angonizing over this tripe I find it to be ridiculous and I wonder why I ever wasted my time with any of this nonsense.
Posting on this board because you got your feelings hurt (or for whatever) ain't doing squat to change anything with amnesty or the illegal invasion. It looks like most of you (Jean) don't do much else and are using this as a substitute for your lack of a life. While I have sympathy for your plight I suggest you stop cyber jerking and get involved at the local, city and state level to address the issue. Stop whining non-stop on a computer forum....
God help us all if cyber-whiners are all we have left to stop the illegal invasion.
:cool:
And your pathetic attempt at chiding us is even more pathetic. Most of the people on this board were the ones that were out in the field dealing with the reconquistas. Now go back and report to Nightingale...fly, fly away.
DerailAmnesty.com
11-24-2009, 08:20 PM
Maybe they won't be realized immediately. Neither has it started a war, as you thought in an immediate sense
Dude, that's a completely non-responsive answer.
And I wasn't expecting a war. I am anticipating people are going to start taking sides or demanding that others take sides (the latter having already happened as a result of Jean's communications).
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Sandy, I'd like to thank you for the above post. In comparison, my complete lack of tact doesn't look so stunningly out of place. Your writings are almost as socially unrefined as mine have been the past few days.
Ayatollahgondola
11-24-2009, 09:01 PM
Dude, that's a completely non-responsive answer.
And I wasn't expecting a war. I am anticipating people are going to start taking sides or demanding that others take sides (the latter having already happened as a result of Jean's communications).
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Sandy, I'd like to thank you for the above post. In comparison, my complete lack of tact doesn't look so stunningly out of place. Your writings are almost as socially unrefined as mine have been the past few days.
I understand how you feel that way, but personally I don't feel the need for silence anymore. Jean seemed to feel that way also, but I don't want to speak for her. My thinking is that some people in forward and very active positions within our movement are going to do what they do whether we sit back and be quiet or fight back. They are going to send emails, post advisories, and threaten others about who they can associate with. I'm for open government here. I'm not as interested in the Gheens, gilchrists, Schwilks, Nightingales, etc as I am in the people who read their material. hopefully they'll read ours too, and compare the facts. If we don't put it out there though, they get it from one source. I don't see how that helps the overall movement.
And Sandy, I know you have a rather volatile personality, but you can't do it alone. None of us can. We are all somewhat misfits in that we don't accept false gods as easily as most. But I hate to see you out there by yourself.
usa today
11-27-2009, 03:20 PM
Boy do I feel a need to reply to this thread
Since I know all these people in one way or another.
I've said for many years that our cause is going to be lost unless we can all stop the petty squabbles , We are killing ourselves , Not for lack of good people involved but by the way we all fight with each other.
Many of you know me , and have known me for years , yet I was kicked off the old sos (more than once) I've been dumped by Gheen , even though I've talked to him many times and passed on valuable information to him. I know the whereabouts of many of the old people that have left here and gone to places like Patriots Corner , the old (now defunct) minuteman forums and many others.
There was a time I thought the old sos was and could be the premier anti illegal immigration website and org. Sadly it wasn't so.
Maybe this is a new beginning , I hope so , There use to be some hard core activists here and some very smart people.
Don't let PC ruin this board or turn it into a money grubbing org like alipac
LAPhil
11-27-2009, 05:03 PM
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Ayatollahgondola
11-27-2009, 06:27 PM
Boy do I feel a need to reply to this thread
Since I know all these people in one way or another.
I've said for many years that our cause is going to be lost unless we can all stop the petty squabbles , We are killing ourselves , Not for lack of good people involved but by the way we all fight with each other. Don't let PC ruin this board or turn it into a money grubbing org like alipac
Petty squabbles are not necessarily cause-killers. Husbands and wives, sibling, workers, and other intertwined people skirmish and fight with each other without ending the relationships or causing the breakdown of societies. People fight because they don't entirely agree. Silencing one of the combatants just results in one party having interminable contempt for the other. The open borders lobby tries to silence us for good of America, how do you feel about that? And why shouldn't they; After all, they know what's best, right?
We can fight with each other to flesh out truths, facts, and differences, and still fight as a unified front on that with which we do agree.
On the PC thing: Alot of people don't care for the use, or overuse of certain terms. Doesn't mean they have succumbed to political pressure. It could mean they grew up having those terms applied to them unfairly, or they just plain don't like the sound of them
Patriotic Army Mom
11-27-2009, 06:50 PM
Wow, glad to see you still out there USA Today. I agree with you, and hope that we can band with one another and get ready for the fight ahead. Our Country needs us now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rim05
11-27-2009, 08:28 PM
Hi USA! Yes I remember you from so long ago and I know about some of the banning. You did not answer how you found us so I will ask again, how did you find us? Welcome, good to have you.
usa today
11-28-2009, 09:17 AM
Hi USA! Yes I remember you from so long ago and I know about some of the banning. You did not answer how you found us so I will ask again, how did you find us? Welcome, good to have you.
Well to answer your question , I am all over the web , I hear things , I see things , I still have a lot of connections with people that were here , are here or use to be here.
Some will remember that I use to know a lot of stuff before hand
and have some pretty deep sources of information, That hasn't changed.
I'm just not as into it as I was , it seems you beat your head against walls for so many years and don't get anywhere , you just get tired of it.
I'm not dumping out by any means , I just think our movement has to come up with some new bells and whistles , the old way just doesn't seem to be working for us.
JMO while we play nice the opposition just keeps amassing more and more power.
I just hope we have it in us to stop the next amnesty push coming , But sooner or later we have to stop fighting a holding battle , we can oppose but sooner or later they will push hard enough to get what they want.
I don't have the answers , I wish I did
Jeanfromfillmore
11-28-2009, 12:16 PM
Well to answer your question , I am all over the web , I hear things , I see things , I still have a lot of connections with people that were here , are here or use to be here.
Some will remember that I use to know a lot of stuff before hand
and have some pretty deep sources of information, That hasn't changed.
I'm just not as into it as I was , it seems you beat your head against walls for so many years and don't get anywhere , you just get tired of it.
I'm not dumping out by any means , I just think our movement has to come up with some new bells and whistles , the old way just doesn't seem to be working for us.
JMO while we play nice the opposition just keeps amassing more and more power.
I just hope we have it in us to stop the next amnesty push coming , But sooner or later we have to stop fighting a holding battle , we can oppose but sooner or later they will push hard enough to get what they want.
I don't have the answers , I wish I didYou really didn't answer the question, you just replied. I asked you that question because I wanted to know where and on what sites the url has been posted have been effective. Can you just give me a straight answer? Where did you find our url?
Twoller
11-28-2009, 12:55 PM
FYI, I found the link to this site posted at a thread at the old .org site.
Jeanfromfillmore
11-28-2009, 01:14 PM
FYI, I found the link to this site posted at a thread at the old .org site.Thank you for letting me know. I'm trying to get the word out and placing the new URL everywhere I can, but I'd like to know what's working and where people are seeing it.
Has anyone else seen the new .info posted some places? If you can please go to all the other sites you visit and try to get the word out.
Rim05
11-28-2009, 01:15 PM
Jean and Towller, those are the reasons I ask where USA found us. I thought we were banned from everyone who was with old SOS. I have many things to and don't travel the web very much. I did try to log onto some of the places in my book marks and got a 404 error. I have not tried since that one time.
Jeanfromfillmore
11-28-2009, 01:29 PM
Jean and Towller, those are the reasons I ask where USA found us. I thought we were banned from everyone who was with old SOS. I have many things to and don't travel the web very much. I did try to log onto some of the places in my book marks and got a 404 error. I have not tried since that one time.Rimo, I think the url was posted before the old .org site went down. I think someone managed to post it before Mike was able to remove it. But I could be wrong. I know it was posted over at fightpc.net and Nomoreinvasion. We really need to get the URL to the top of the google find and the way to do it is exposure.
usa today
12-17-2009, 08:42 AM
Just catching up on my reading here this morning , There are a lot of interesting posts. I had no idea what was going on here , But first to answer the question I seem to have avoided , no disrespect intended
But it takes a bit of a story to get me there , You see after I was banned from here I ended up over on the minuteman forums as my main haunt. We went through a rather ugly bust up over there also with many of our really good members going to
http://www.patriotscorner.com/forums/index.php
I was a member of both forums
Mcdc then went through a "closed" period but was brought back to life
by Ken D who some of you know. Simcox let him reopen the boards and I got to play mod for a while. When Chris decided to run against McCain he closed the boards down for good and I ended up over on the Patriots corner forum full time. Some of the old timers here also ended up over there being members of MCDC we kind of used Patriots as plan B in case Mcdc closed down.
Patriots is a pretty tight knit group, Some notables over there are Jim Campbell and Roy Warden who I think some of you know about.
Simcox has also posted there using some weird "duck" name.
I did manage to bootleg my way back onto alipac during the run up to the election but wasted no time getting in trouble over there for being in the "Romney" crowd as opposed to the "Ron Paul" crowd that dominated over there. Most of you know I'm not a really PC person and that gets me in trouble now and then , I did receive several phone calls from alipac people and a couple of there mods that were fed up with Gheen , I've spoken to him several times on the phone and on radio and no matter what , he still comes across as a pompous ass that is completely full of himself.
I've got a thousand more stories from the time I left here but I'll leave them for another time.
John from Mass posted the link on Patriots , I just followed it thinking I would still be banned from this site. I also knew of Don was still here I'd have no chance of getting back on.
Jeanfromfillmore
12-17-2009, 11:07 AM
Just catching up on my reading here this morning , There are a lot of interesting posts. I had no idea what was going on here , But first to answer the question I seem to have avoided , no disrespect intended
But it takes a bit of a story to get me there , You see after I was banned from here I ended up over on the minuteman forums as my main haunt. We went through a rather ugly bust up over there also with many of our really good members going to
http://www.patriotscorner.com/forums/index.php
I was a member of both forums
Mcdc then went through a "closed" period but was brought back to life
by Ken D who some of you know. Simcox let him reopen the boards and I got to play mod for a while. When Chris decided to run against McCain he closed the boards down for good and I ended up over on the Patriots corner forum full time. Some of the old timers here also ended up over there being members of MCDC we kind of used Patriots as plan B in case Mcdc closed down.
Patriots is a pretty tight knit group, Some notables over there are Jim Campbell and Roy Warden who I think some of you know about.
Simcox has also posted there using some weird "duck" name.
I did manage to bootleg my way back onto alipac during the run up to the election but wasted no time getting in trouble over there for being in the "Romney" crowd as opposed to the "Ron Paul" crowd that dominated over there. Most of you know I'm not a really PC person and that gets me in trouble now and then , I did receive several phone calls from alipac people and a couple of there mods that were fed up with Gheen , I've spoken to him several times on the phone and on radio and no matter what , he still comes across as a pompous ass that is completely full of himself.
I've got a thousand more stories from the time I left here but I'll leave them for another time.
John from Mass posted the link on Patriots , I just followed it thinking I would still be banned from this site. I also knew of Don was still here I'd have no chance of getting back on.
Thank you for that explanation, and thank you to John from Mass for posting our new sites url. If any of you have any suggestions as to where we can post our new organization with its new url (.info) please let us know. We're trying really hard to get the word out, but we need to know where others are going and where it will be seen.
usa today
12-17-2009, 01:06 PM
I know a ton of people that post here
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/immigration
No sign up , just post away
Also the idexer
http://www.idexer.com/
This isn't a forum per say and its dormant until after the holidays but its usually a very well read site and anyone can post in the comments if you sign up
Jeanfromfillmore
12-17-2009, 01:18 PM
I know a ton of people that post here
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/immigration
No sign up , just post away
Also the idexer
http://www.idexer.com/
This isn't a forum per say and its dormant until after the holidays but its usually a very well read site and anyone can post in the comments if you sign upThank you, I know about Topix and have posted the rally there for the past four days. But I didn't know about idexer, so thank you. I'll see what I can post there.
usa today
12-17-2009, 01:19 PM
There are some people on the idexer that have posted here in the old days
Jeanfromfillmore
12-17-2009, 01:22 PM
There are some people on the idexer that have posted here in the old daysGreat, maybe they will reconnect.
LAPhil
12-17-2009, 01:51 PM
I know a ton of people that post here
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/immigration
No sign up , just post away
Also the idexer
http://www.idexer.com/
This isn't a forum per say and its dormant until after the holidays but its usually a very well read site and anyone can post in the comments if you sign up
Thanks for the heads up on that, USA. I never knew about the topix site but it looks great! I'm really going to have to get into it more when I have more time.
usa today
12-17-2009, 03:04 PM
Thanks for the heads up on that, USA. I never knew about the topix site but it looks great! I'm really going to have to get into it more when I have more time.
Did you see that some of those threads have thousands of posts
A lot of the nations newspapers and mags link to that forum also
Jeanfromfillmore
12-17-2009, 08:17 PM
I know a ton of people that post here
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/immigration
No sign up , just post away
Also the idexer
http://www.idexer.com/
This isn't a forum per say and its dormant until after the holidays but its usually a very well read site and anyone can post in the comments if you sign upThe idexer site says it is shut down because the mod needs a break. The last article was in Nov.
usa today
12-18-2009, 02:39 AM
Yes
He takes breaks now and then , I've followed that site for years now and usually he isn't gone for long , I figure though Christmas
Ayatollahgondola
12-26-2009, 09:53 PM
Looky here:
SoCal Patriot Coalition still has us listed as one of them:
http://www.patriotscoalition.com/newsite/pages/dispatchPages/SoCalPatiotCoalition.html
Oh that Schwilk.....he's come crawling back:D
usa today
01-04-2010, 04:07 PM
Well , just for the record
I never had a problem with Joe , ever, Chelene,Sandi and I got along fine (I don't know what went down after I left ) Gheen is a money grubber but he does have a national forum that has a voice , Spencer is right on the front lines , I've never spoken to him but he is also doing a great service, Gilchrist and Simcox got the media attention first through Hannity and Fox , Roy Beck , Dan stein , and a thousand other players. You , me and millions of other Americans that don't want to see this country become another cesspool.
Time to move on and hope it isn't to late.
LAPhil
01-05-2010, 04:07 PM
Well , just for the record
I never had a problem with Joe , ever, Chelene,Sandi and I got along fine (I don't know what went down after I left ) Gheen is a money grubber but he does have a national forum that has a voice , Spencer is right on the front lines , I've never spoken to him but he is also doing a great service, Gilchrist and Simcox got the media attention first through Hannity and Fox , Roy Beck , Dan stein , and a thousand other players. You , me and millions of other Americans that don't want to see this country become another cesspool.
Time to move on and hope it isn't to late.
Yeah, USA, I feel really nostalgic for those good old days when everybody was getting along and we were all united in a common purpose. I somehow doubt it'll ever be that way again, as sad as that makes me.
Jeanfromfillmore
01-05-2010, 04:12 PM
Yeah, USA, I feel really nostalgic for those good old days when everybody was getting along and we were all united in a common purpose. I somehow doubt it'll ever be that way again, as sad as that makes me.You never know Phil, this rally is really pulling in the numbers and maybe we won't have the exact say players, but maybe even a better mix.
Ole Glory
01-05-2010, 05:11 PM
Yeah, USA, I feel really nostalgic for those good old days when everybody was getting along and we were all united in a common purpose. I somehow doubt it'll ever be that way again, as sad as that makes me.
@^$*(^$#@%*%#
That's all I have to say about that right now. Everyone knows every party has 1.:rolleyes:
LAPhil
01-06-2010, 04:20 AM
@^$*(^$#@%*%#
That's all I have to say about that right now. Everyone knows every party has 1.:rolleyes:
I rest my case.
Rim05
01-06-2010, 06:17 AM
I have sent emails to some of my old ride Buddies. I really hope this will be bigger than any given by what was our old site. We need more people. I see Glory is really spreading the word. Don't forget the proinvaders are reading all our plans. I REALLY wish I could be there.
Ole Glory
01-06-2010, 08:49 AM
You never know Phil, this rally is really pulling in the numbers and maybe we won't have the exact say players, but maybe even a better mix.
It's a new year, out with the trash. Fresh start, clean slate, here we come.:) Remeber: Are you adding to the problem or contributing to the solution?:)
LAPhil
01-06-2010, 08:55 AM
It's a new year, out with the trash. Fresh start, clean slate, here we come.:) Remeber: Are you adding to the problem or contributing to the solution?:)
Maybe you should ask yourself that same question as you continue to make my point for me.
Ole Glory
01-06-2010, 08:56 AM
I have sent emails to some of my old ride Buddies. I really hope this will be bigger than any given by what was our old site. We need more people. Don't forget the proinvaders are reading all our plans. I REALLY wish I could be there.
This is worth a Repeat. All in favor say Aye!
Dear RIM05,
Thank you for your kind words, I am humbled.
RIM05, it is you. You lead by example. I have spent many years with you out in the streets during, rain, heat, hail, wind, danger, and with people that would rather see us dead.
You my dear friend are a leader and a great mentor. I have learned so much from you, and for you, I am thankful. Your actions inspire me to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a great leader and a true American Patriot.
I am very proud to stand with you and call you my friend. I look forward to standing with you and learning from you for the next hundred years.
RIM05 you are a real Jewel.
Love,
Ole Glory
The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
(from Christian Leadership World)
Random Quote from Joe Klock:
"It is the absence of immediate and compelling goals that leads to boredom, low energy, pessimism, depression and despair, among a heap of other unpleasant conditions. The worst affliction in life is neither pain, nor poverty, nor misfortune, nor the perfidy of others, because all of these have been met and defeated by those with a determination to do so.
The ultimate scourge is purposelessness -- a pervading realization that one's life has no value to the world. Fortunately, it afflicts only those who choose to have no purpose."
Ole Glory
01-06-2010, 09:00 AM
Maybe you should ask yourself that same question as you continue to make my point for me.
Maybe you should ask yourself that question as you point your finger at me, three of your fingers are pointing back at you!:eek:
Jeanfromfillmore
01-06-2010, 10:31 AM
Yeah, USA, I feel really nostalgic for those good old days when everybody was getting along and we were all united in a common purpose. I somehow doubt it'll ever be that way again, as sad as that makes me.Phil, we are getting along and we're doing fine. Time has a way of healing old wounds as long as they don't continue to be picked at, if you get my point. Some of those you are nostalgic for actually caused the problems and are continuing to try to cause problems. We don't need to be reminded of what we could have been, because we have a goal and the drive to get there just as we are now. Just keep your eyes open and you'll see.
Twoller
01-06-2010, 11:23 AM
Phil, we are getting along and we're doing fine. Time has a way of healing old wounds as long as they don't continue to be picked at, if you get my point. Some of those you are nostalgic for actually caused the problems and are continuing to try to cause problems. We don't need to be reminded of what we could have been, because we have a goal and the drive to get there just as we are now. Just keep your eyes open and you'll see.
I have to agree. The notion that citizens of the US have always acted together in solidarity for the cause that is these United States of America is simply not true. And it is also true that some of these folks have posed the most dramatically as patriots and "true Americans". After the 9/11 terrorist attack, it was a little strange that right away, there was a mob of people running around declaring that we were all together now and America was back and it was clear who the enemy really was. Stuff like that. And if you didn't respond right away to that, the other folks popped up right away who were saying that it never happened, or it was a government conspiracy, or it really wasn't a terrorist attack. Stuff like that.
Living in the US and making it work the way it is supposed to is all about looking the other guy and asking in your own mind, "Oh yeah? Maybe, maybe not. Show me." Experience instructs best in what is really going on, but experience is sometimes hard to keep track of.
LAPhil
01-06-2010, 12:28 PM
Phil, we are getting along and we're doing fine. Time has a way of healing old wounds as long as they don't continue to be picked at, if you get my point.
Jean, I assume you're implying I'm picking at a wound here. You say we're getting along and doing fine, but when someone impugns your loyalty and calls you trash because she doesn't like your posts, I wouldn't call that getting along and doing fine.
Jeanfromfillmore
01-06-2010, 01:13 PM
Jean, I assume you're implying I'm picking at a wound here. You say we're getting along and doing fine, but when someone impugns your loyalty and calls you trash because she doesn't like your posts, I wouldn't call that getting along and doing fine.Phil, I didn't read it as she was calling you trash, I read it as she was implying that those you say you miss are some of the trash we can surely do without. As I've written before and most people know, the written word is often misinterpreted. How you read it and how I read it were completely different. Glory and I understand each other and I know how she meant it, at least I think I do.
Phil, we're moving on and as I wrote before, we're doing rather well. We will be a stronger and better organization. That you can bet on. There are no grand standers here. We all work together. That has become very apparent with the joint effort being put forth to organize this rally. It's been amazing and I'm so proud to be a part of this group. Just wait and you'll see.
LAPhil
01-06-2010, 02:11 PM
Jean, you could be right about the trash part, I'll probably never know. At any rate, I'm willing to let it drop for now. I've got to say I really respect your attitude, however. It's really upbeat and positive, and I have to admit my original comment was perhaps a little too negative for the forum, even though it's the way I really feel. I guess at times it's just better to keep certain comments to one's self.
Rim05
01-06-2010, 05:29 PM
Glory, thank you for your kind words. It is so nice to see someone say that a person has done something good. Believe me every time I stood or tried to walk in the streets it was with all my heart. I am glad for all those times we had together. :)
PochoPatriot
01-06-2010, 05:31 PM
I don't pine for the "old days". We did a lot of good, but we had a leader that was more interested in promoting her agenda rather than leading an organization. We had a number of "End the Fed" rallies. Why? I don't know other than they played into the Ron Paul agenda of the former leader and current gubernatorial candidate.
We saw posters and active members ridiculed and eventually banned for merely voicing a dissenting opinion in the 2008 Presidential election season. This was the beginning of the end of the "old days." Instead of being a group focused on the removal of illegal aliens it became a tool to advance a political agenda.
I am glad that the management of this group has seen fit to keep political agendas quashed. If we keep the individual politics to a minimum, and focus on the task at hand, then I believe that we can rise from the ashes. If we do this, then they will be forced to deal with us. "They" meaning the Reconquistas and those groups led by people that are loyal to personalities instead of the movement.
Jeanfromfillmore
01-06-2010, 06:30 PM
Jean, you could be right about the trash part, I'll probably never know. At any rate, I'm willing to let it drop for now. I've got to say I really respect your attitude, however. It's really upbeat and positive, and I have to admit my original comment was perhaps a little too negative for the forum, even though it's the way I really feel. I guess at times it's just better to keep certain comments to one's self.No harm, no foul Phil. There are some members of the old SOS that I would like to get in contact with myself, but don't know how I could do that. I understand your wanting to see some of them, but you may see plenty of them at the next rally, or the one after that. You saw the old SOS through your own eyes and experiences and may have come to different conclusions than some of us, so you're entitled. But we have some surprises in store for you. Like I said, just wait and see. The people we have getting this rally together have worked great together and have gone way beyond what one would expect of anyone. I'm telling you, it has been fantastic. We've had people in this org and other orgs just bend over backwards to get things done, and it's working. There's no stopping us now!
Rim05
01-07-2010, 06:22 AM
I'm telling you, it has been fantastic. We've had people in this org and other orgs just bend over backwards to get things done, and it's working. There's no stopping us now!
Thanks for the info about how people are working. Yes, we have had some very good people and they are out there someplace. I have a few email addresses but I am not sure those people are available now. Each person had his/her reason for dropping out in late 2007 and most of all 2008. I don't think most of SOSinfo had anything to with their leaving. Most of those who left did so before mid 2008.
The success of this Rally depends on ALL those who want to STOP this AMENSTY bill.
I am behind all of you. I hope it does not rain. The weather man is talking about rain next week.
Jeanfromfillmore
01-07-2010, 11:42 AM
Thanks for the info about how people are working. Yes, we have had some very good people and they are out there someplace. I have a few email addresses but I am not sure those people are available now. Each person had his/her reason for dropping out in late 2007 and most of all 2008. I don't think most of SOSinfo had anything to with their leaving. Most of those who left did so before mid 2008.
The success of this Rally depends on ALL those who want to STOP this AMENSTY bill.
I am behind all of you. I hope it does not rain. The weather man is talking about rain next week.Ya Rimo, I have the weather in the back of my mind also. I sure hope it doesn't rain, or be too windy. Let's just keep our fingers crossed.
Ole Glory
01-09-2010, 11:11 AM
To all my fellow Patriots who have been out in the trenches and have been physically attacked by the enemy. This is something a keyboard warrior could/would never understand. Back in the day when "Men were Men" and not all this mushy feelly stuff. I feel waa, waa, waa. God bless us and thank God no one has been killed at any of these protests.
TEDDY ROOSEVELT
U.S. President and Recipient of the Medal of Honor
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”
Patriotic Army Mom
01-09-2010, 11:14 AM
Amen Ole Glory. It's shocking that a gun hasn't been pulled out on any of us. God Bless America and all Patriots.
Ole Glory
01-09-2010, 11:25 AM
God Bless you, PAM. Wear your battle scars proudly.;)
Cole Younger
03-22-2011, 10:52 AM
Jesus Christ...Has everyone in this movement gone completely nuts? including the San Diego Minuteman?
http://sandiegominutemen.com/sdmm/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=66&Itemid=85
I tell you, it is embarrassing. It's a shame none of them know the meaning of Patriot.
LAPhil
03-22-2011, 12:43 PM
Jesus Christ...Has everyone in this movement gone completely nuts? including the San Diego Minuteman?
http://sandiegominutemen.com/sdmm/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=66&Itemid=85
I tell you, it is embarrassing. It's a shame none of them know the meaning of Patriot.
After reading their page I'd say they're clinically insane.
Ayatollahgondola
03-22-2011, 12:50 PM
After reading their page I'd say they're clinically insane.
I don't know if it is actually "they". It might just be "he".
LAPhil
03-22-2011, 12:53 PM
I don't know if it is actually "they". It might just be "he".
I actually think "he" is right about a few of those people, e.g., Shauna Ford (no-brainer), William Gheen, and possibly Gilchrist and Eichler. AG, can you clue us in as to who "he" might be?
Cole Younger
03-22-2011, 12:54 PM
After reading their page I'd say they're clinically insane.
Well at least I don't feel alone on this. The hate and discontent is amazing. It really helps the cause doesn't it...... it's Cannibalism in it's purest form.
Ayatollahgondola
03-22-2011, 12:57 PM
Well at least I don't feel alone on this. The hate and discontent is amazing. It really helps the cause doesn't it...... it's Cannibalism in it's purest form.
I say that alot about nightingale. she was very cannibalistic within the movement
Jeanfromfillmore
03-22-2011, 01:16 PM
Chelene and Jeff continue to do damage, but mostly just in California.
Cole Younger
03-22-2011, 01:22 PM
I say that alot about nightingale. she was very cannibalistic within the movement
I left about the time nightingale came onto the seen. What was her handle patriotic dream or something like that. I have since started to look into a few names that I have found mentioned on this site. Honestly, who in there right mind ever thought she could run this state? She received 1.6% of the vote which was about 1.6K so obviously, the voters realized she was not a decent candidate. I am surprised that Tancredo endorsed her. He must of lost some grey matter after he left Congress.
Look, all politics is local...This is what this movement fails to understand. You don't go after a state wide election unless you have some experience and a known name. Grass roots need to look for weak incumbents, and capitalize on them. You take one district at a time. Governors do not write laws, legislatures do. Other than veto any new legislation, Nightingale would have been ineffective promoting any agenda. It is what it is.
LAPhil
03-22-2011, 01:25 PM
Chelene and Jeff continue to do damage, but mostly just in California.
I was thinking it was Jeff that writes their web page. Am I right?
LAPhil
03-22-2011, 01:30 PM
Honestly, who in there right mind ever thought she could run this state? She received 1.6% of the vote which was about 1.6K so obviously, the voters realized she was not a decent candidate.
You're a little off on the total number votes she got. The percentage was 1.6, but that amounted to approximately 119,000 votes. As far as everything you said about her running for governor, I think you're exactly on the mark.
Cole Younger
03-22-2011, 01:59 PM
I was thinking it was Jeff that writes their web page. Am I right?
You mean this idiot? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjImcBRYYYQ
Honestly, if this is the guy in charge of the San Diego minuteman, the organization needs to have there heads examined. This is not a leader. This is a example of a puppet. He is getting his strings pulled by the oppositions for propaganda purposes.
What the opposition does is use this to demonstrate aggression. This inflames there membership and increases the counter protester numbers.
LAPhil
03-22-2011, 02:08 PM
You mean this idiot? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjImcBRYYYQ
Honestly, if this is the guy in charge of the San Diego minuteman, the organization needs to have there heads examined. This is not a leader. This is a example of a puppet. He is getting his strings pulled by the oppositions for propaganda purposes.
What the opposition does is use this to demonstrate aggression. This inflames there membership and increases the counter protester numbers.
Yes that idiot. I've seen him but I've never actually met him, and I had no idea he was that much of an a-hole. He must have used the f-word at least 20 times there. I'm still hoping someone answers my question as to whether he's the author of their web site.
Cole Younger
03-22-2011, 02:30 PM
Yes that idiot. I've seen him but I've never actually met him, and I had no idea he was that much of an a-hole. He must have used the f-word at least 20 times there. I'm still hoping someone answers my question as to whether he's the author of their web site.
I couldn't tell you as I have no clue. He is a puppet though and the opposition in that video is the puppet master. Anyone that can not see it is blind or brainwashed and/or gullible.
LAPhil
03-22-2011, 02:39 PM
I couldn't tell you as I have no clue. He is a puppet though and the opposition in that video is the puppet master. Anyone that can not see it is blind or brainwashed and/or gullible.
The opposition is named Naui. I guess you could say he's a puppet master of sorts. We have a long history with that dude.
Cole Younger
03-22-2011, 02:48 PM
The opposition is named Naui. I guess you could say he's a pupper master of sorts. We have a long history with that dude.
I know all about naui. He ate some pepper spray if I recall.
Ayatollahgondola
09-29-2011, 08:33 AM
Jeff Schwilk updates his "patriot warnings" page to include another TEA Party group, and increase his disdain for me.
Tri-City Tea Party (Sept. 2011). Tri-City refers to Oceanside, Carlsbad, and Vista, CA. This supposed "tea party" group appears to be a GOP front group run by Gary Cass, Steve Guffanti, and Maureen Guffanti. They work with the proven fraud and crook Howard Kaloogian. They are all well aware of Kaloogian's theft of the $100,000 Caltrans settlement money that was legally designated for The San Diego Minutemen. Steer clear of this fake tea party group run by people with no integrity and ethics.
Don't really know anything about this group, or the people he mentions, but I am considering professional jealousy on Schwilk's part because the Tri Cities Tea Party set up shop in Vista, the same town as Schwilk. He could be right about them, but who can believe him when he makes continually unfounded, and false statements about so many others like this:
Davi A. Rodrigues (Aug 2011), Sacramento (aka Ayatollah Gondolla online) - Leader of the tiny, fake Save Our State.info internet group. The original SaveOurState.org group founded by Joe Turner and Chelene Nightingale disbanded in 2009. Rodrigues is an infiltrator and lone-nut activist who stirs up trouble in other anti-illegal immigration groups and spreads malicious lies on the internet. Unstable, delusional, destructive behavior. Supports and defends Jim Gilchrist. Stole the "Save Our State" name in late 2009 for his new internet group. He also STOLE the real SOS database in early 2009 and spams people his emails using that stolen list of email addresses. Conducted an online daily jihad of personal, vindictive attacks on Patriot candidate Chelene Nightingale for CA Governor in 2009-2010.
I will say that the last sentence he wrote is the only one that has some air of truth to it, although I'm not sure it goes far enough.:)
Jeanfromfillmore
09-29-2011, 12:38 PM
Jeff Schwilk updates his "patriot warnings" page to include another TEA Party group, and increase his disdain for me.
Don't really know anything about this group, or the people he mentions, but I am considering professional jealousy on Schwilk's part because the Tri Cities Tea Party set up shop in Vista, the same town as Schwilk. He could be right about them, but who can believe him when he makes continually unfounded, and false statements about so many others like this:
I will say that the last sentence he wrote is the only one that has some air of truth to it, although I'm not sure it goes far enough.:)
Chelene wasn't even around when SOS was restarted by Turner. Schwilk is standing in his of droppings and the smell is all around him. Hard to shake that I guess.
Rim05
09-29-2011, 09:25 PM
The original SaveOurState.org group founded by Joe Turner and Chelene Nightingale disbanded in 2009.
Jeff just proved how crazy he is. There is no way Chelene Nightingale had any part in founding the old Save Our State. He is desperate to give Nightingale credit for ANYTHING possible.
Beverly Caterers
10-15-2011, 11:22 AM
Dang all this infighting is hurting us all! :confused:
I wish we could come together and fight this mess together.
LAPhil
10-15-2011, 11:59 AM
Dang all this infighting is hurting us all! :confused:
I wish we could come together and fight this mess together.
A lot of us have been wishing that for years, but at this point I really don't think it's going to happen. On the positive side, however, there seems to be more awareness of the illegal immigration issue around the country in general, as witness the decline of Rick Perry after his "You have no heart" comment in the debate.
Jeanfromfillmore
10-15-2011, 02:23 PM
A lot of us have been wishing that for years, but at this point I really don't think it's going to happen. On the positive side, however, there seems to be more awareness of the illegal immigration issue around the country in general, as witness the decline of Rick Perry after his "You have no heart" comment in the debate.
Phil you're so right. Just compare where we are today with just 5 years ago. Five years ago practically no one cared about illegal immigration, or they were convinces that the invaders were benign and "were only here to feed their families." Now that the public is having to pay attention to where their tax dollars are going and how much is being spent on the invaders, well it's now a different story.
I'm not seeing the Mexican flags flying as much as 5 yrs ago, and we now have whole states standing up and taking action. It's a far cry from when we did "one a day" and were excited if just one town took actions. Yes, we've worked hard and have accomplished a great deal. But we still have quite a ways to go.
Ayatollahgondola
10-15-2011, 02:54 PM
Dang all this infighting is hurting us all! :confused:
I wish we could come together and fight this mess together.
A lot of us have been wishing that for years, but at this point I really don't think it's going to happen. On the positive side, however, there seems to be more awareness of the illegal immigration issue around the country in general, as witness the decline of Rick Perry after his "You have no heart" comment in the debate.
You kiddin' me? The infighting has slowed to a crawl now that some of the worst instigators have been exposed and reduced to mere mortals like the rest of us. Many former rivals are working together, or at least are not trying to cross one another as much. I think things are a far cry better in that regard than they have ever been before
LAPhil
10-16-2011, 07:44 AM
You kiddin' me? The infighting has slowed to a crawl now that some of the worst instigators have been exposed and reduced to mere mortals like the rest of us. Many former rivals are working together, or at least are not trying to cross one another as much. I think things are a far cry better in that regard than they have ever been before
I'm sure you're in a much better position to know about this than I am, but could you give some examples?
Ayatollahgondola
10-16-2011, 07:54 AM
I'm sure you're in a much better position to know about this than I am, but could you give some examples?
SOS is once again on speaking and exchanging terms with Robin, a major player in our field. She had previously been ostracized by our former seer-less leader Nightingale. Jim Gilchrist is no longer hammering SOS as unworthy; Some of the Central Vally Tea Party people have ceased censoring or removing my posts about SOS's events and efforts now that Nightingale is done using them for her campaign.
Admittedly there are some hold-outs, such as gheen and schwilk, but they haven't been very active in our circles lately anyway. Much less of the "drive-these-people-out mentality now.
LAPhil
10-16-2011, 08:21 AM
SOS is once again on speaking and exchanging terms with Robin, a major player in our field. She had previously been ostracized by our former seer-less leader Nightingale. Jim Gilchrist is no longer hammering SOS as unworthy; Some of the Central Vally Tea Party people have ceased censoring or removing my posts about SOS's events and efforts now that Nightingale is done using them for her campaign.
Admittedly there are some hold-outs, such as gheen and schwilk, but they haven't been very active in our circles lately anyway. Much less of the "drive-these-people-out mentality now.
Well this is certainly good news.
The Waco Kid
10-18-2011, 08:42 PM
It was the rallies done back in 2004-2005 that had the greatest impact. In 2006 SOS attracted too many people who just wanted to belong to something out of some sort of personal neediness and I am sad to say that but it is true. When I left SOS in late 2006 it was really going to hell in a hand basket.
The main problem experienced by SOS is too much talk and not enough action, people just want to post on a forum and never truly do anything to help.
Sad but true.
Ayatollahgondola
10-19-2011, 05:12 AM
It was the rallies done back in 2004-2005 that had the greatest impact. In 2006 SOS attracted too many people who just wanted to belong to something out of some sort of personal neediness and I am sad to say that but it is true. When I left SOS in late 2006 it was really going to hell in a hand basket.
The main problem experienced by SOS is too much talk and not enough action, people just want to post on a forum and never truly do anything to help.
Sad but true.
I'd like to say it was that simple, but I doubt it is. I believe SOS fell noticably at that time for several reasons. Some of which were beyond our control. But I think we definately could have better managed the descent to a softer landing, and not lost as much momentum and stature. All water under the bridge at this point, so all we can do now is to grow carefully and stick to our main agenda. Those with the same mindset will find us, and those who left can watch and see if we're worthy of joining again
The Waco Kid
10-19-2011, 10:14 AM
Well we all know Chelene damn near ruined the group's last shred of credibility and in order to do all the damage she did she had to have an abundance of "useful idiots" to do her bidding. Anyone who truly was a thinking person and didn't blindly follow was black balled and smeared, but you know that as well as anyone. An unfortunate fact but of course there are still people who care deeply about this issue ( I am one of those ) and I will continue to support SOS in any way I can.
I've noticed some people who are the most active in this movement seem to somewhat shy away from SOS when I attempted to secure them as guests on SOS radio but I am working on that and trying to restore good will with certain heavy weights in the anti illegal scene. My name is still respected by many and I intend to use that.
Susan4SovereignUSA
10-21-2011, 06:36 PM
I like Jim Gilchrist and have nothing against William Gheen. That might sound strange them being sworn enemies. Was at the Phoenix Rally and know Chelene and her co-hort were feeding William posion, how terrible that at a rally to support border agents Chelene was more concerned with gaining support for herself in her fight with Jim.
Jim did not almost bring down the movement due to any association with Forde. Shawna had left Jim and was with her new group before her nutty idea. What IMO caused us to disband was the hi-jack attempt on Jim's org. Jim brought many including myself to the street by bringing national attention to the cause. Chelene's bad decision bringing sos member's into her fray with Jim, making member's choose...how juvenile. Why did she involve herself with that fight anyway...Jim won his case don't forget and all she won was a bad name for herself while destroying a very active org. As a Christian we are taught to forgive lest we not be forgiven and I do forgive, yet know there are those who have been so badly hurt by others actions if wounds heal it might take awhile if ever at all. Jeff Swilk needs to take the trash at his website off or no one will take him seriously, I read his smear link and was schocked! Trashing Jim, Frank and other's who fought so hard really upset me..shame on him. If Jim showed anger, rightly so who would not be enraged after everything that was done to him, why, because he wanted to save his Country, the one he fought bravely for in Viet Nam. I would not have even mentioned any of the above but for Jean's comment about Jim almost bringing down the cause. Ultimately this is about fighting illegal immigration and I pray we succeed. God Bless
Ayatollahgondola
10-21-2011, 07:47 PM
I would not have even mentioned any of the above but for Jean's comment about Jim almost bringing down the cause.
Eh? Where did she write that?
LAPhil
10-22-2011, 07:43 AM
I like Jim Gilchrist and have nothing against William Gheen. That might sound strange them being sworn enemies. Was at the Phoenix Rally and know Chelene and her co-hort were feeding William posion, how terrible that at a rally to support border agents Chelene was more concerned with gaining support for herself in her fight with Jim.
Well, here we go again. I don't have a really strong opinion about Gilchrist because I hear conflicting stories about him, but Gheen is a horse of a different color. He refused to go to the Phoenix rally and would not support it on behalf of ALIPAC because he was under the false impression that one of the promoters of the event had some kind of Nazi connection. He has refused to even talk to the new SOS, and he's also not quite right in the head in my opinion (e.g., calling for the arrest of Meg Whitman when her housekeeper turned out to be illegal, starting a Lou Dobbs for President campaign, and various other half-baked ideas).
Jeanfromfillmore
10-22-2011, 10:08 AM
I like Jim Gilchrist and have nothing against William Gheen. That might sound strange them being sworn enemies. Was at the Phoenix Rally and know Chelene and her co-hort were feeding William posion, how terrible that at a rally to support border agents Chelene was more concerned with gaining support for herself in her fight with Jim.
Jim did not almost bring down the movement due to any association with Forde. Shawna had left Jim and was with her new group before her nutty idea. What IMO caused us to disband was the hi-jack attempt on Jim's org. Jim brought many including myself to the street by bringing national attention to the cause. Chelene's bad decision bringing sos member's into her fray with Jim, making member's choose...how juvenile. Why did she involve herself with that fight anyway...Jim won his case don't forget and all she won was a bad name for herself while destroying a very active org. As a Christian we are taught to forgive lest we not be forgiven and I do forgive, yet know there are those who have been so badly hurt by others actions if wounds heal it might take awhile if ever at all. Jeff Swilk needs to take the trash at his website off or no one will take him seriously, I read his smear link and was schocked! Trashing Jim, Frank and other's who fought so hard really upset me..shame on him. If Jim showed anger, rightly so who would not be enraged after everything that was done to him, why, because he wanted to save his Country, the one he fought bravely for in Viet Nam. I would not have even mentioned any of the above but for Jean's comment about Jim almost bringing down the cause. Ultimately this is about fighting illegal immigration and I pray we succeed. God BlessSusan, I think you either need to reread all of my comments, comprehensively, and retract what you said. I have never, in any post or conversation, said that Gilchrist "almost (brought) down the cause". That seems a bit out of left field.
The Waco Kid
10-22-2011, 02:43 PM
Jean,
You were one of the Chelene brigade and you followed her and did your share to support her; some of which included bashing of Gilchrist and others who would not put up with her BS, so maybe Susan is referring to older events. All I know is you seemed to be extremely pro-Nightinhell /anti Gilchrist and I am sure many others got that impression.
And as long as we are talking about these petty sort of things I would like to say to you that you need to stop being so rude when I call in to support SOS radio. You go out of your way to disagree; if I were to say the grass is green and the sky is blue you would disagree. Let's face it here that kind of tude is not going to get us anywhere. I have bent over backwards be polite and ignore your attitude because I realize you have a difficult life but if you continue being so rude I am not going to support SOS radio anymore. I have better things to do that to suffer the petty rudeness of someone who has some sort of childish ax to grind.
We are on the same side you know so why not let your hostile feeling go? I am here to support the issue not to get into nonsensical arguments over nothing. Thanks.
Jeanfromfillmore
10-22-2011, 05:30 PM
Jean,
You were one of the Chelene brigade and you followed her and did your share to support her; some of which included bashing of Gilchrist and others who would not put up with her BS, so maybe Susan is referring to older events. All I know is you seemed to be extremely pro-Nightinhell /anti Gilchrist and I am sure many others got that impression.
And as long as we are talking about these petty sort of things I would like to say to you that you need to stop being so rude when I call in to support SOS radio. You go out of your way to disagree; if I were to say the grass is green and the sky is blue you would disagree. Let's face it here that kind of tude is not going to get us anywhere. I have bent over backwards be polite and ignore your attitude because I realize you have a difficult life but if you continue being so rude I am not going to support SOS radio anymore. I have better things to do that to suffer the petty rudeness of someone who has some sort of childish ax to grind.
We are on the same side you know so why not let your hostile feeling go? I am here to support the issue not to get into nonsensical arguments over nothing. Thanks.
You are so wrong on so many levels. Never once did I ever say anything against Jim Gilchrist, NOT ONCE! Again I’ll repeat that so you can be sure you got it right, NOT ONCE. It seems you’re trying to test the waters here and drugging up something that never happened. I never took side with regards to Gilchrist or Gheen. It wasn’t my battle! But you sure seem more than willing to conjure up something. And as far as supporting Chelene, yes, I supported all the events she arranged and the effort put in arranging them. I have always said Chelene put a great deal of effort and time into SOS. That’s a fact. Just because you did not like her, doesn’t change that fact. She may have had ulterior motives, but putting those aside, she put in a great deal of time and effort into SOS. Even today, I respect that effort and I don’t put any energy into tearing her apart. I don’t have much respect for her exploiting SOS for personal gain, but that’s what people do when they’re trying to climb the political ladder. Her battle with others is between her and them, not with me.
There were limits to my support and what was actually happening in the background that you were not privy to. But I was treated "very hostile" by you and your cohort in the past, and I’m keeping you at arms length. I don’t expect everyone to hold hands and do sing-alongs together. But in the past, when things went bad, I didn’t say I’m taking my marbles and going home. I stuck in there and worked at keeping SOS viable. There were some members I didn’t care for, but I have always said, “I am not here to make friends” and that you can quote me on.
As far as being rude to you, yes I was! But because you kept interrupting me and I just got fed up with it. What you chose to do is your choice. But don’t tell others that anyone kicked you out or banned you, leaving will be your own choice. You can take your marbles home with you or you can stay. SOS will still go on. My goal is to support the causes in SOS’s mission statement. I’m keeping my marble in play.
The Waco Kid
10-22-2011, 05:48 PM
Keep it up Jean. I have not interrupted you at all for at least the last 4 calls, although at times you ramble on so it warrants interruption. Forget it, if you cannot be civil then fine, I hope you are happy for yourself. I will just bow out and let you take care of it all by yourself.
Sorry Davi, I truly want to support SOS but this kind of nonsense is something I have no time for. Petty BS over and over reminds me so much of the crap that happened over and over again after Joe and I left SOS.
Thanks again.
Sandy
Ayatollahgondola
10-22-2011, 10:21 PM
Keep it up Jean. I have not interrupted you at all for at least the last 4 calls, although at times you ramble on so it warrants interruption. Forget it, if you cannot be civil then fine, I hope you are happy for yourself. I will just bow out and let you take care of it all by yourself.
Sorry Davi, I truly want to support SOS but this kind of nonsense is something I have no time for. Petty BS over and over reminds me so much of the crap that happened over and over again after Joe and I left SOS.
Thanks again.
Sandy
I don't understand how Jean was dragged into a fight by doing absolutely nothing. There was an inference that she did something, which she denied, and next it a jumped into yet another beef. What did you expect her to do? If she doesn't defend herself, it will be assumed the accusations are true. If she does defend herself she becomes the reason someone leaves the group.
You should know enough about me now to realize that I believe in fairness, and a fair examination of the issues and facts. How about instead of arguing about this, we look at the facts first, and maybe we find out that it is a big misunderstanding.
I didn't see where standingAlone was correct in her statement. Likewise, I don't know where Jean came out against Gilchrist anywhere. If you have that, give her the benefit of the evidence. It may be that it was a misunderstanding too.
If anyone did the cockroach's bidding in the regard you mention, it was me. And I spent months making apologies later on with the hope that it was either sufficient or at least the start of repairing some relationships. But Jean is saying she doesn't have that to apologize for, because she didn't do it.
It is a fact of life and human nature that we have personal issues with one another in the pursuit of our agenda. I accept that. The old way was to ban people for it....for being human and having disagreements. We don't do that here now. We hope instead that the disagreements pass over time, or we find a way to work with or around them. I've said this before, and I'll say it again in my boiled down form: I don't care if we fight, as long as we work too.
We've got a bunch of work ahead of us now, and we need every swinging d!ck in the field. That goes for every swinging pair of b**bs too. Jean's already made her position clear, that she's in it for the win, regardless of the fighting too obviously. One of the things we have going here is that we have a proven history of forcefully pursuing our agenda regardless of internal fighting, so we may not be marching in perfect formation, but we are marching. That's the way we are here; not goose stepping, but marching. You go anywhere else, and you'll find goose stepping pretty much.
I'm far from perfect myself, and get emails all the time with complaints about my style, my camera handling, my avatar, my profile picture, my speaking abilities, and even my whiny voice. Regardless, I am still willing to work with them. I may fight with them sometimes, but I will still work. So nobody wants anyone else to leave really, because we need the help. But if you end up fighting with someone here, you have to expect that they may fight back too. We're all fighters mostly, and that's why we're here in the first place. A foreign government, and some within our own government, have picked a fight with us. As long as we remember where the majority of our effort goes, a little internal fighting is just part of the deal. I am asking that everyone else accept that too.
Rim05
10-23-2011, 12:02 PM
We have accomplished some things here but I fear that Big Dog, Little Dog attitudes always hold us back.
With the shape our country is in, we should all forget our egos and work for the US. No, we have to have the personality bit going, very bad move.
I know nothing about the radio call in but I have never called in. I just did not see how it would work so, I have stuck to the forum.
You people should watch the 'guests viewing' when a spat is in progress. Viewing really shoots up. I wonder if those making the noise realize the harm they are causing to our efforts.
It makes me angry when so many can only say how dumb, ignorant etc. a Dem is. I was out there with a lot of you for about 5 years, before we became so political. After it became known that I am Dem, I am now a Left Wing Liberal. Got news for all of you, I AM THE SAME PERSON WITH THE SAME AGENDA THAT I STARTED WITH.
No one can control another person, if they are fighting the same battle as you , you should be thankful for the support.
Jeanfromfillmore
10-23-2011, 05:29 PM
This thread goes back two years and was started just shortly after we brought back SOS. There was only a few weeks lag time between the old SOS.org shutting down and SOS.info coming on.
What I will say is I was never Chelene’s lap dog, as some would like to suggest. Actually hardly anyone even knew who I was, except for those I would car pool with or protest with. Often I protested with those that were “enemies” of Chelene’s camp at various places, but Chelene never mentioned anything about it to me. She knew that what ever I did was my business and not for her to command.
But again I’ll tell you, and I wish we still had the old SOS.org to back me up, that I never spoke badly about anyone or any other organization with the exception of La Raza, Naui, the Brown Berets etc. Today I do have some issues with one person who just can't seem to get over his issue with me, but that's another story.
Post #121 & 125 have no credibility and there is a history these two women created themselves. Sandy had no idea who I was until just recently, and StandingAlone had an issue with me when I carpooled with Ohighlass and she came along. I stated “the problems we’re seeing are a result of both political parties.”
That is how simple it is for some to create a vendetta. It’s mind boggling. But you can see that some will try to create problems either out of a simple comment, or create something to divide.
Go back and read posts #42, #43, #44, #45.
These are all the statements I’ve ever made in regards to Chelene and Gilchrist over these past two years. Before that I don’t remember ever posting anything about Gilchrist except commenting that I bought his book when it came out and had him and Dr. Corsi sign it.
11-18-2009, 11:50 PM post #5
Chelenes not the worst of people, but she's certainly not the best. It's all a show with her and these guys are falling for it. Wouldn't be the first time people have gotten fooled. But to go to the lengths that they are going, to actually try to do damage to the cause is unforgivable.
The old org hadn't "run its coarse" it was gutted by Chelene. I was there and I saw it. I started to notice if well over a year ago and started mentioning it. Some of Chelenes lapdogs got on me about say anything about it or bringing it to the members attention. That was right about the time she got the 'coalition' together. That move was to hide the fact that the membership had stopped supporting her and no SOS members were showing up to any of the events. Who was showing up was CCIR and the other orgs, but not SOS members.
11-19-2009, 02:04 PM Post #13
I'm glad someone brought up Robin and Raymond. These two really got a bad deal from Chelene, Jeff and William all because of a fight these three had with Gilchrist. That was not my fight and I resent the three of them expecting me or anyone else to gang up on them because Chelene and the rest of that gang couldn't keep their opinions to themselves. Gilchrist or anyone associated with him didn't do anything to me so why should I campaign against him? It was just like in high school. If you didn't like someone you wanted everyone else to not like them.
Well we're not in high school so let's stop the bashing on all sides. I don't want to bother with it, it's not productive. Fighting Chelene is not my fight. My fight is with La Raza and those that want another amnesty. That's it! Chelene is gone and let's move on!
11-19-2009, 05:56 PM post #20
But, sadly in the last few, egos and certain personal charateristics began to emerge. We had some of our BEST activists banned and then labeled as 'goons'. This was not the work of a good leader, but the battle of egos and struggle for power. I never had a problem with Chelene personally, and don't consider her or anyone against the La Raza/Open Borders crowd an enemy.
As far as the old Save Our State, the last final blow was Chelene bringing the Barbara Coe vs. Gilchrist fight to the organization. It consumed the organization and burned out what was left of our members especially after the purge by Chelene and others in management. I had taken over as director after Chelenes departure for a few months but the division that was created by Chelene and her few followers were not concerned with the organizations survival and it fell apart. Chelene had lost many members support and for at least a year and a half they were not showing up or following her as a leader. This may have been, and I believe it was because of the Gilchrist issue. We lost Watchdog (Brook), and so many others, we were weakened beyond repair. And then it was found out that we members had been deceived when we were told we were a legitimate non-profit, which we weren't because Joe never completed the paperwork for the state. The fingers in management started pointing at each other and the whole thing became very ugly.
I do place a great deal of the problems on the doorstep of Gilchrist, but you and Chelene let him in and therefor hold some of the blame.
Not until Chelene and those who were doing her bidding made the members feel deceived at that point the members stop coming or working together.
11-22-2009, 03:12 PM Post #39
What I will say is William Gheen, Barbara Coe, Jim Gilchrist, Jeff Shwilk, and Glenn Spencer have never done anything to me and I don't consider them the enemy. I don't consider Chelene, Joe or Mike the enemy either, I just lost a great deal of respect for them for how little they thought of the members and our investment in the old organization, but I will not take that disappointment to the level where I want to destroy or weaken them.
This 'it's us or them' needs to stop. And whether it's someone from either side that declares that it should stop, to me is not important. I'm not going to waste my energy and time continuing to criticize others in this movement
03-22-2011, 01:16 PM post #99
Chelene and Jeff continue to do damage, but mostly just in California.
Ayatollahgondola
02-04-2012, 09:06 AM
Another of Chelene Nightingale's delusions comes to an end.
The Southern California Patriot Coalition has ceased publication, and is now being redirected to the San Diego Minutemen website, probably in an effort to bolster its' sagging presence also. The SoCal Patriot Coalition was little else but a manifestation of Nightingale's grandeur, consisting of just an accumulation of other websites, also of which many were defunct. But taking the page down and redirecting it is evidence that the cost was not sustainable.
Of note also, is that the Nightingale's have still not made good on the debt to Frank Jorge, and have slid into relative obscurity.
Ayatollahgondola
02-05-2012, 07:17 PM
Another of Chelene Nightingale's delusions comes to an end.
The Southern California Patriot Coalition has ceased publication, and is now being redirected to the San Diego Minutemen website, probably in an effort to bolster its' sagging presence also. The SoCal Patriot Coalition was little else but a manifestation of Nightingale's grandeur, consisting of just an accumulation of other websites, also of which many were defunct. But taking the page down and redirecting it is evidence that the cost was not sustainable.
Of note also, is that the Nightingale's have still not made good on the debt to Frank Jorge, and have slid into relative obscurity.
Well, I was mistaken :o
The cockroach resurfaced at a Sheriff Mack event in....Las Vegas, Nevada.
I can't imagine how it must make Frank Feel to see that Chelena can schmooze with her next intended victims, along with her hench wenches and useful idiots all across the country, but she cannot or will not pay back the money she borrowed from him :mad:
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/AyatollahGondola/TheCockroachinVegas.jpg
Rim05
02-06-2012, 05:00 AM
Is that Bonfire in the picture with Chelene?
Ayatollahgondola
02-06-2012, 05:50 AM
Is that Bonfire in the picture with Chelene?
No, that's not Bonfire. Just some other, poor unsuspecting, prospective victim of the cockroach
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