Doesn't anybody post here anymore?

[LAPhil]

Here's a really good video I just discovered:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgOHOHKBEqE&feature=player_embedded#!

[Rim05]

No one is posting any place any more. :confused:

[LAPhil]

No one is posting any place any more. :confused:
I've pretty much noticed that too, Rim. Even I don't do nearly as much posting as I used to on the old board. I know this view isn't popular with certain people here, but I really think we lost something when the old board was dissolved.

[Patriotic Army Mom]

I don't post that much either. But my teenagers keep changing things on the computer and when I get on, I can't find anything. It's a joke. Maybe we are all getting ready for the down and dirty. Somehow things are going so fast, that it's not one thing to fight for, we are having to fight for everything our country stands for. It makes me sick.

[Rim05]

The truth is, I have so much to do this time of the year that the only thing I keep up with is EATING. :D

[Ayatollahgondola]

I've pretty much noticed that too, Rim. Even I don't do nearly as much posting as I used to on the old board. I know this view isn't popular with certain people here, but I really think we lost something when the old board was dissolved.

I don't believe that's an unpopular view Phil. I don't know that anyone thinks we didn't lose some things.
Our history, our work, some goodwill.... We tried to get it, but thus far it hasn't been successful. I'm still working on it a little.
But really, as RIM mentioned, it's not just us; There's a pall cast all over the internet and in practice. I visited a couple leftist type events and they are down pretty hard too. I was even sanctioned on one of their forums for pointing out that the interest level seemed rather abysmal. Even on forums totally unrelated to immigration the interest is pretty weak. i wouldn't start blaming anyone here over it.

[Twoller]

I don't believe that's an unpopular view Phil. I don't know that anyone thinks we didn't lose some things.
Our history, our work, some goodwill.... We tried to get it, but thus far it hasn't been successful. I'm still working on it a little.
But really, as RIM mentioned, it's not just us; There's a pall cast all over the internet and in practice. I visited a couple leftist type events and they are down pretty hard too. I was even sanctioned on one of their forums for pointing out that the interest level seemed rather abysmal. Even on forums totally unrelated to immigration the interest is pretty weak. i wouldn't start blaming anyone here over it.

I agree. There seems to be a dearth of news. I'm not paying attention to US media, but the latest thing I'm seeing abroad is that the Obamination is footing the bill for a bunch of border guards or something. It seems like it is something carefully engineered to stimulate discussion and so I don't feel like discussing it. I didn't even consider posting the items.

Notice Jeanfromfillmore is not posting any news items either.

I am wating to hear something about 1070. You would think we would be hearing something out of Arizona, but nothing. Maybe the border guard bill is also supposed to eclipse the silence eminating out of Arizona.

[Patriotic Army Mom]

It's because Mr. O doesn't want most people to say anything and may be used as a scape goat.

[LAPhil]

i wouldn't start blaming anyone here over it.I wasn't blaming anyone here. Just making an observation.

[ilbegone]

Overall, I believe much of it has to do with the economy and tiresome politics.

I myself have had enough of castigating politicians over the phone and am patiently waiting to vote out incumbents at every opportunity. While I have no love for either the core Democrat or Republican parties, I want to punish the Democrats. Then when the Republican party takes rejection of Democrats as a mandate to do whatever the hell the want to do (like the Democrats have done since the repudiation of Republicans last election cycle), I want to slap the dogshit out of the Republicans in turn.

As far as posting here, I feel as though I have said much of the same over the years over and over and over again. I'm out of breath and tired of arguing the same points non stop.

I really am not attracted to the other anti illegal sites, nor do I waste my time posting at pro illegal sites. I'm sick of the racial obsession, racial stereotyping, fabrication and disinformation and name calling on both sides, and have realized I'm not going to change anyone's convictions with rational discussion - or more to the point, what minute rational and respectful discussion there is to be found anywhere concerning illegal immigration.

I think the open borders crowd understands there is not going to be an amnesty for as long as the economy is bad. On the other side, I don't believe there is any faith that the Federal government is going going to meaningfully enforce immigration law anytime soon.

I think there is a lot of quietly seething anger which has a good chance of boiling over and burning the status quo. I just hope it doesn't blow out of control - we don't need a replay of the French Revolution.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Overall, I believe much of it has to do with the economy and tiresome politics.

I myself have had enough of castigating politicians over the phone and am patiently waiting to vote out incumbents at every opportunity. While I have no love for either the core Democrat or Republican parties, I want to punish the Democrats. Then when the Republican party takes rejection of Democrats as a mandate to do whatever the hell the want to do (like the Democrats have done since the repudiation of Republicans last election cycle), I want to slap the dogshit out of the Republicans in turn.

As far as posting here, I feel as though I have said much of the same over the years over and over and over again. I'm out of breath and tired of arguing the same points non stop.

I really am not attracted to the other anti illegal sites, nor do I waste my time posting at pro illegal sites. I'm sick of the racial obsession, racial stereotyping, fabrication and disinformation and name calling on both sides, and have realized I'm not going to change anyone's convictions with rational discussion - or more to the point, what minute rational and respectful discussion there is to be found anywhere concerning illegal immigration.

I think the open borders crowd understands there is not going to be an amnesty for as long as the economy is bad. On the other side, I don't believe there is any faith that the Federal government is going going to meaningfully enforce immigration law anytime soon.

I think there is a lot of quietly seething anger which has a good chance of boiling over and burning the status quo. I just hope it doesn't blow out of control - we don't need a replay of the French Revolution.

Nicely stated.

[LAPhil]

I don't know if it would be appropriate to mention the names here, but for those seeking longer threads on the same issues we discuss on this forum, there are blogs which usually consist of a column by a well-known commentator at the beginning which is followed by comments from readers. Depending on the writer and the nature of the column, there can be up to several hundred comments and replies within just a few hours. So it's not like people are becoming apathetic in general.

[Ayatollahgondola]

I don't know if it would be appropriate to mention the names here, but for those seeking longer threads on the same issues we discuss on this forum, there are blogs which usually consist of a column by a well-known commentator at the beginning which is followed by comments from readers. Depending on the writer and the nature of the column, there can be up to several hundred comments and replies within just a few hours. So it's not like people are becoming apathetic in general.

Generally those blogs and writers are highly factionalized. The one's commenting on them are usually committed to that faction. In addition, commenting one way or another doesn't hold any accompanying or inherent wish for further involvement. There's always been no shortage of commentators. the only thing that's changed there is that there are more blogs, and the mainstream news is a little less controlling in allowing people to comment on subjects they seemed previously to admire strict control of.
In contrast, groups like SOS, NMI, ALIPAC, Minutemen, etc, are always soliciting for action of some type, and so there has always been an underlying current of involvement.

[Don]

Overall, I believe much of it has to do with the economy and tiresome politics.

I myself have had enough of castigating politicians over the phone and am patiently waiting to vote out incumbents at every opportunity. While I have no love for either the core Democrat or Republican parties, I want to punish the Democrats. Then when the Republican party takes rejection of Democrats as a mandate to do whatever the hell the want to do (like the Democrats have done since the repudiation of Republicans last election cycle), I want to slap the dogshit out of the Republicans in turn.

As far as posting here, I feel as though I have said much of the same over the years over and over and over again. I'm out of breath and tired of arguing the same points non stop.

I really am not attracted to the other anti illegal sites, nor do I waste my time posting at pro illegal sites. I'm sick of the racial obsession, racial stereotyping, fabrication and disinformation and name calling on both sides, and have realized I'm not going to change anyone's convictions with rational discussion - or more to the point, what minute rational and respectful discussion there is to be found anywhere concerning illegal immigration.

I think the open borders crowd understands there is not going to be an amnesty for as long as the economy is bad. On the other side, I don't believe there is any faith that the Federal government is going going to meaningfully enforce immigration law anytime soon.

I think there is a lot of quietly seething anger which has a good chance of boiling over and burning the status quo. I just hope it doesn't blow out of control - we don't need a replay of the French Revolution.

Many of us who were involved with Prop. 187 and other comparatively early pro-nationalist campaigns feel fatigued and it seems like a perpetual motion machine to just keep arguing the same points over again. I agree with that. But....I have noticed that the status quo has evolved in our direction and public sentiment is on our side. Look at the popular support for AZ 1070 and if you have followed internet "comments" and discussion boards for the last decade, like I have, you cannot help but notice the change in stated opinions which have gone from hostility to indifferent to outright support for defending against the foreign invasion. People from all over the country are now opposing this alien force.

Will a revolution come? Well we have a government that is openly on the side of an invading army so I would argue that the revolution already took place and our country was snatched away from us while most were not paying attention. The current campaign to put the final nail in the coffin of American sovereignty by crushing American patriotic resistance is perceived as a kind of mopping up operation. How it will end is anyone's guess. Thank God popular American sentiment has finally come to our side. Better late than never.

[ilbegone]

The word "army" suggests top down single organization, and that's a wrong notion. Basically it's a mob with all sorts of motivations and personal agendas, many very similar and some not, which is being used by others for all sorts of political and other goals, or some sort of gain.

It's a very complex issue which is usually boiled down to very simplistic, black and white views with sinister, individual, personal malice inferred towards all sides.

There are a myriad of political agendas, bewildering in how they are seemingly so opposed yet are closely intertwined.

I actually believe that individually the Mexicans and other Latin Americans are least to blame for their illegal entry, regardless of how destructive they collectively are.

They are used by cheap labor factions, regarded as future voters, sought by brown American supremacists, used by their home governments, exploited by criminal enterprises domestic and international, and I believe a good percentage of them will screw each other over for some small gain or advantage.

Are they all malicious? No. Do I trust any of them blindly? No. Are there a number whom I like? Yes. Are there criminals among them? Yes. Are they all criminally motivated even though the crime of illegal entry is involved? No.

Do all those who came here illegally by either their own free will or as an adult need to be deported? Yes, whether I like it or not concerning the individual.

Should the 14th amendment be revisited so as to deny birthright citizenship to children of illegal entrants? Yes. Should people who were so born and grew up into the US before such legislation is implemented be deported? No. Deport their parents? Yes.

Should politicians, employers and others who violate or fail to regard immigration law be severely punished? YES!!!

Does race indicate nationality or loyalty to a particular nation? No. Does the race of an individual indicate prejudices or attitudes concerning race or nationality? No. Does race indicate loyalty to an agenda? No.

Are there differences (cultural, attitudes, and otherwise) between illegal entrants, their American born children, and their further descendants? Yes.

Can people be mislead or otherwise swayed by politically motivated racial propaganda? Yes.

On all sides of illegal immigration issues.

[LAPhil]

Ilbegone, if there were more posts like the one you just made I don't think there would be so much "board fatigue", which you referred to earlier when you said you were tired of posting the same things over and over again. I can totally relate to that syndrome, and it also goes for reading the same things over and over again. This is one reason I don't participate in the forum as much as I used to. Your posts are unique in that you have the ability to combine a lot of well-thought out ideas into a coherent post which doesn't just consist of a regurgitation of the same cliches that have been repeated ad nauseum. I think the more thoughtful the post, the more responses it is likely to generate. At least that's what I'd like to believe.

[Ayatollahgondola]

I think we're all missing the obvious. People tune out because there's not as much exciting things happening here. In the old days, street activity was new and interesting. There were wrongs to right, and frauds to expose. New people came and that added to the excitement. But then the newness wore off, as did the welcome of some within, and people moved on to the new sliced bread. I see the new sliced bread as being like the TEA parties. You watch....they'll go the same way. Unfortunately for us, people have a short attention span overall, and they like new things. Holding their attention is hard enough, but asking their participation raises the threshold tenfold. But there are also committed folks out there who don't require such high maintennance. SOS is a non-profit and we don't change our product to suit the fickle world around us. People can rely on us to be here when they need us, and they will. In addition, we will go through another cycle of popularity and interest. Maybe soo, maybe later.

[Rim05]

But there are also committed folks out there who don't require such high maintennance. SOS is a non-profit and we don't change our product to suit the fickle world around us. People can rely on us to be here when they need us, and they will. In addition, we will go through another cycle of popularity and interest. Maybe soon, maybe later.


I sure hope it will be soon and continue.