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Jeanfromfillmore
07-12-2010, 01:13 PM
Issa Talks Real Immigration Reform, GOP Prospects on CSPAN's "Newsmakers"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll6aBDFAZfI

Twoller
07-12-2010, 02:47 PM
Issa: "... Orange County has had a program in their jails to try to not re-release, if you will, people who are both criminals and illegal immigrants."

"both criminals and illegal immigrants" Again, if you are an illegal immigrant, you are a criminal. Why is it Issa doesn't have it in his head that illegal immigrants are not already criminals?

Twoller
07-12-2010, 02:57 PM
Issa: "We are not going to do another round of amnesty. Period. ... It didn't work in '86 ... that is a clear position of the Republicans ... After that everything else is in play, a guest worker program ... certainly, a transition for people already here so that they could either be converted to guest worker or exit the country in a fair way. All of that is in play. ... "

What?? A "transition" for people already here? Issa has found a new stealth term for amnesty.

Look for it elsewhere, "A transition for people already here".

Ayatollahgondola
07-12-2010, 03:08 PM
well there you have it. Politician double talk

Jeanfromfillmore
07-12-2010, 04:37 PM
I believe what he's saying is that the "transition" is to address those that are here now and to have them admit they're here, register, and then either self deport or consider working as a migrant on a limited time visa and no way to turn it into citizenship, and also not letting the family say here with them. I didn't hear anything about amnesty. What he's addressing is that we have to discuss how to either deport or deal with those that are here. Even if we deport every illegal, it can't be done in a day or week. So there has to be a plan on how to do it, there has to be steps. We're not magicians and the illegals won't disappear in a matter of minutes, hours or days. There has to be a procedure for ridding ourselves of them. That is called a "transition".

Twoller
07-12-2010, 08:37 PM
I believe what he's saying is that the "transition" is to address those that are here now and to have them admit they're here, register, and then either self deport or consider working as a migrant on a limited time visa and no way to turn it into citizenship, and also not letting the family say here with them. I didn't hear anything about amnesty. What he's addressing is that we have to discuss how to either deport or deal with those that are here. Even if we deport every illegal, it can't be done in a day or week. So there has to be a plan on how to do it, there has to be steps. We're not magicians and the illegals won't disappear in a matter of minutes, hours or days. There has to be a procedure for ridding ourselves of them. That is called a "transition".

I don't think so. A transition from an illegal immigrant to a guest worker program is most certainly amnesty. And exactly what is he talking about when he says "exiting in a fair way?" If we throw out an illegal immigrant without prosecuting them for being here, then that's already more than fair.

If Issa wants to play word games with the word "amnesty", then let's let "amnesty" mean no prosecution for illegals who turn themselves in to be deported. Remember again, there is no such thing as lawful self deportation. If an illegal leaves the US by illegally crossing borders again, then they have commited a second crime and our borders have proven ineffective once again. It is just as great a security risk to have people leaving the country without scrutiny as it is for them to be coming in illegally.

Jeanfromfillmore
07-13-2010, 01:25 AM
"If an illegal leaves the US by illegally crossing borders again, then they have commited (sic) a second crime and our borders have proven ineffective once again" Quote.

So if they can't leave, yet they can't stay, then what are they suppose to do? I'd love to see them all point south and keep on walking, but that's not going to happen. Even if they chose to, it would take years for them all to leave. There has to be a plan to getting them to exit or at least an expectation that they will leave.

Twoller
07-13-2010, 08:12 AM
"If an illegal leaves the US by illegally crossing borders again, then they have commited (sic) a second crime and our borders have proven ineffective once again" Quote.

So if they can't leave, yet they can't stay, then what are they suppose to do? I'd love to see them all point south and keep on walking, but that's not going to happen. Even if they chose to, it would take years for them all to leave. There has to be a plan to getting them to exit or at least an expectation that they will leave.

True! It is a commonly promoted misconception that the solution to our illegal immigration is some orgasmic mobilization of resources in a sudden purge of illegals. But this would also serve to eclipse our lax enforcement of basic laws. And this is all that is necessary, a steady relentless policing against the simple presence of illegal immigrants as a permanent social policy.

We simple make a governing decision that illegal immigrants are to no longer be tolerated in the US and as a regular matter, day in and day out, we will catch them, prosecute them and remove them from the country.

For a while, it will be an overwhelming job. But as we settle in to this enforcement policy, it will become easier and easier. The reason we have the problem is because we are not enforcing our laws. That's it. The only reason the illegals are here is because we are not enforcing our laws. Once they see we are enforcing our laws, then they will not make the decision to come here. This is where we need to effect illegals, before they commit the act of crossing our borders illegally, when they are on the other side of the border. And we do this by making it clear that we will not tolerate their presence here and we will not tolerate US citizens who suggest otherwise. And if you are a legal immigrant who tolerates illegal immigrants, then you will be removed too.